What are you talking about they already rule the world.....

I am bumping this thread. I think with all of the talk about Christianity and Islam here, this is a pertinent thread. Will it anger some for this thread to be re-instated? I am sure. However, when one truly examines history and was is currently taking place in the world today, it becomes apparent that there is more truth than fluff to what I am saying.

Hi,

It is my opinion that these religions have an uncanny knack of bringing out what is already in a person.

Take for example, within Christianity say, that one person will actually try to live the teachings of Jesus. Conversely, another person will say that the Sermon on the Mount was a beautiful speech, but that there is no way anyone can actually live that way.

Which one do you suppose is more interested in the get into heaven free card and subsequently will be more prone to do horrendous actions, including saying that the rest of the world is going to that hot place?

Which one is more likely to say live and let live?

What someone is predisposed to believe, imo, is just a reflection of their internal state.

True that the religions do seem to reinforce duality more so than to bring people into oneness. It seems unfortunate, but then again maybe that is what it takes for some individuals to wake up by actually coming to see and experience the lies first hand?



[edit on 27-9-2008 by L.I.B.]

In response to the original post:

Some interesting links there. Thanks very much.

In terms of the current conflicts incorporated in the "War on Terror", I think that the political and economic factors at play far outweigh the religious issues from the Coalition side of things.

It has been theorised in the past (and I tend to agree) that George W Bush, who initiated the War on Terror, is little more than a "convenient" Christian (ie: he wears the trappings, and goes through the motions). This can be attributed to the fact that a non-Christian would never get elected in a country like America. Likewise, the combatants and politicians on the Coalition side of the fence are not engaged in the "War" primarily to proselytise Christianity. I certainly agree with pundits who theorise that they are proselytising "democracy" and Western values, and opposing totalitarianism but, no, their motivations are not predominantly religious in nature.

As for the Muslims, and Muslim extremists, yeah it's all about the religion. But that isn't a particularly telling statement. For a lot of them, their lives are wholly dictated by their faith. Even the simple act of eating a meal incorporates religious elements for them. There are also significant political factors at play, though. I don't believe that they see themselves at war with Christianity per se, but rather Western oppression and the application of "decadent Western values" as a whole, via invasion or democratisation.

Just my $0.02.

Yeah, certainly a lot of people made accusations of witchcraft against others for political gain.

I'm a little ignorant about what the motivations of the big-wigs of the medieval church were, but I'm sure there were some who thought they were doing "good" by cleansing the earth of "evil witches". Maybe they were just so far removed from the scenes of burning bodies that it never touched them on a personal level, and they were just signing warrants etc.

A terrible period in history, whatever the case.

Great thread BTW. Lots of stuff here.

Some of You people have no idea. People are people and nothing changes. These same people can be republicans, democrats, christian, muslim, gay, straight, beer drinker sports fan, what ever and they will still have opinions. Just because one group is a little more vocal it doesn't mean they are to blame for all the worlds woes. I was a fundamentalist at one time and the people I went to church with were some of the most peaceful people I have ever met. Now they might try to witness to You but other than that they were ok people when they didn't talk about their beliefs which You people don't realize. I don't see how they are any different then say a republican whom is very opinionated on taxes or welfare. What about the democrats about so called social justice and abortion. These two groups are going to always argue with what they think is best for society even though these two groups have different life experiences. Most christians go to work and then church on the week ends. Hell most of them You wouldn't know they were christian unless You singled them out. I work with several christians and the only difference between them and the other guys is they don't talking about sex, drinking, & partying. So stop brushing people with a wide brush because it makes You look just as intolerant as the christians you hate so much.

Originally posted by Roark

Great thread BTW. Lots of stuff here.

Thank you for the compliment, Roark. I have tried to show both sides of the argument.

Jews, Muslims and Christians... all three religions are principalities of Azazeel he is the fallen angel that is purported to have taught man the martial skills and the manufacture of weaponry. All three of these religions do not walk their talk except Islam which preaches death to all infidels and I don't think that's good for any human beings well being. The only creatures that the Muslims and the Jews give a break to is the Pig. It is because they are pigs. Christians don't give any creature a break not even the pig. They are quick to kill and make bacon. I think all of Abraham's children are murderers of women and children. This is only my humble opinion.

Hi/

When one speaks and uses their faith to back an opinion, it is frowned upon,ridiculed and made a joke of,to say the least!
When one speaks and uses their lack of knowledge as an opinion,they are called stupid idiots or the like,.
When one speaks , although it may be lacking in wisdom,or thoughts without sense ,all sides want to bow down to it.
Oh my, the grandeur of an atheist!
To have an opinion?
To not have an opinion?
To believe in God?
To not believe in God?


~A quote.

We must not measure the reality of love by feelings,
but by results.
Feelings are very delusive.
They often depend on mere natural temperament,
and the devil wrests them to our hurt.
A glowing imagination is apt to seek itself rather than God.
But if you are earnest in striving to serve and endure for God's sake,
if you persevere amid temptation,
dryness,
weariness,
and desolation,
you may rest assured that your love is real.

... Jean N. Grou (1731-1803)

All Faith,Hope and Love seems lost amongst those that never quit!

~The Sign of the times~

... even him whose coming is after the working of satan with all lying wonders,
and with all deceivableness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness (2 Thess. 2:3-4, 9-12).

also to quote/"Therefore, brethren,
stand fast,
and hold the traditions which ye have been taught,
whether by word,
or our epistle" (2 Thess. 2:15).
"There be some that trouble you,
and would pervert the Gospel of Christ.
But though we,
or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be anathema.
As we said before,
so say I now again: If any preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received,
let him be anathema" (Gal. 1:8-9).

And so the War begins!
Did it Ever End?

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helen