The Islamic and Christian Attempt to Rule The World

Clash of Islam and Christianity. The video is about 30 minutes long, but it's worth watching.

What are you talking about they already rule the world.....

reply to post by luxor311



It seems that way doesn't it.

I have always pretty much considered myself "Christian," but only because I believe in the Messiahship of Jesus Christ, and morally, I am what used to be considered Christian. Other than that, the commonality between myself and the institution of Christianity ends.

As anyone who has been here long enough knows, most of my beliefs are certainly not mainstream Christian and sometimes, one would probably pause and wonder if I am Christian at all because I am so criticial of it as an institution.

However, when I look at the world today, it is clear to me that the road that these two, in my opinion, warlike religions are trying to carry humanity is not good. At some point and time, the rest of humanity has to say, "You know what, ENOUGH!!" Until that happens, things are not going to get any better in the Middle East or anywhere else. That is just a cold hard fact.


[edit on 6-12-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

I am bumping this thread. I think with all of the talk about Christianity and Islam here, this is a pertinent thread. Will it anger some for this thread to be re-instated? I am sure. However, when one truly examines history and was is currently taking place in the world today, it becomes apparent that there is more truth than fluff to what I am saying.

There has never been any love lost between the Islamic nations and the nations of the West. It all goes back to the time of the crusades when the Catholic Church and Islam were fighting for ideology and control of the known world. Today nothing really has changed between pseudo Christianity and Islam except for the weapons of warfare.


In recent times the West with its vastly superior military has dictated policy to these nations but now that there are Islamic nuclear weapons, the Islamic nations will try to force a change.


Islamic countries for the most part will unite against the West over hatred of Israel, Western interventionism in the Middle-East and Western values. Many also believe that war against (what they call) the infidels is the will of Allah. The West with its need for oil will try to retain control over the area. The clash between the two civilizations will help bring to power the man who is commonly known as the Antichrist.

No joke

This is the fuel of the much feared and maligned "anti-Christ's" rage. He will stop it. When he does, death will follow him.

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[edit on 27-9-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

Hi,

It is my opinion that these religions have an uncanny knack of bringing out what is already in a person.

Take for example, within Christianity say, that one person will actually try to live the teachings of Jesus. Conversely, another person will say that the Sermon on the Mount was a beautiful speech, but that there is no way anyone can actually live that way.

Which one do you suppose is more interested in the get into heaven free card and subsequently will be more prone to do horrendous actions, including saying that the rest of the world is going to that hot place?

Which one is more likely to say live and let live?

What someone is predisposed to believe, imo, is just a reflection of their internal state.

True that the religions do seem to reinforce duality more so than to bring people into oneness. It seems unfortunate, but then again maybe that is what it takes for some individuals to wake up by actually coming to see and experience the lies first hand?



[edit on 27-9-2008 by L.I.B.]

Starred and flagged.

Great post man. All the general population of America wants to do is point fingers at Islam, call it evil, violent and hateful; when in fact the Christian Bible teaches no better.

The wars in the middle east have always had religious undercurrents and implications; at times Bush doesn't even try to conceal it. He's openly proclaimed the war on terror is a crusade, God is on America's side, etc. If I were living in the middle east as a Muslim, listening to Bush, I wouldn't just think, I'd know it was a holy war.

The last thing we need is another Republican taking office to continue the crusade against intelligence.

reply to post by ANoNyMiKE



Well, while I am certainly no friend of Islam, I think it is pertinent to realize that it certainly is a two way street. Throughout history these two warring religions have caused many problems.

As I posted in my initial post there have been numerous instances where they have manipulated and controlled the masses. Of course, all for "God's sake," right?


[edit on 27-9-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

You know, I was skimming an article that I came across, in regards to Islam, and all I could think was "Aha." There was a paraphrase of something that I think pretty much sums up my whole view of the situation and why I have developed such hostility towards these two warlike religions.

The only good ruler is a Muslim ruler, asserted Ibn Taymiyah. And by that he meant one that enforces shari`ah, or Islamic law.

What a surprise

This is the sort of thing that disturbs me the most. Now, while the article does state that "most" Muslims don't feel this way, I have to wonder how factual that is. When one looks at the current situation around the world that is not obviously true.

[edit on 28-9-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

Here is what I am talking about. The rest of us are supposed to "reason" with these kinds of people?



To be fair, here is a video about "Christianity":



[edit on 7-10-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

Here is a quote that I completely agree with:

Rick Warren: "No. A fundamentalist is somebody who stops listening. There are fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Jews, fundamentalist Muslism, fundamentalist atheist, fundamentalist Secularist.... Its an attitude that doesn't listen to anyone else."

Right on the money

Fundamentalism is what has caused both the Christian and Islamic religions to devolve into the warring religions that they are today. Neither side wants to listen to one another, and they certainly do not want to hear a "strange" alternative viewpoint.

It's sad, really.

In response to the original post:

Some interesting links there. Thanks very much.

In terms of the current conflicts incorporated in the "War on Terror", I think that the political and economic factors at play far outweigh the religious issues from the Coalition side of things.

It has been theorised in the past (and I tend to agree) that George W Bush, who initiated the War on Terror, is little more than a "convenient" Christian (ie: he wears the trappings, and goes through the motions). This can be attributed to the fact that a non-Christian would never get elected in a country like America. Likewise, the combatants and politicians on the Coalition side of the fence are not engaged in the "War" primarily to proselytise Christianity. I certainly agree with pundits who theorise that they are proselytising "democracy" and Western values, and opposing totalitarianism but, no, their motivations are not predominantly religious in nature.

As for the Muslims, and Muslim extremists, yeah it's all about the religion. But that isn't a particularly telling statement. For a lot of them, their lives are wholly dictated by their faith. Even the simple act of eating a meal incorporates religious elements for them. There are also significant political factors at play, though. I don't believe that they see themselves at war with Christianity per se, but rather Western oppression and the application of "decadent Western values" as a whole, via invasion or democratisation.

Just my $0.02.

reply to post by Roark


You know, Roark, what you are saying is quite possible. For years and years, I was somewhat bitter over the supposed inquisition and the burning of "heretics" that the "church" supposedly incited. However, over the past few months, there have been some things that have questioned the "church's" complicity in this.

I have come across information which basically stated that the inquisition and witch hunt was more of a political move than a sanctioned act by the "church." So, I am still left, even after twenty years of research, scratching my head on such matters.

Yeah, certainly a lot of people made accusations of witchcraft against others for political gain.

I'm a little ignorant about what the motivations of the big-wigs of the medieval church were, but I'm sure there were some who thought they were doing "good" by cleansing the earth of "evil witches". Maybe they were just so far removed from the scenes of burning bodies that it never touched them on a personal level, and they were just signing warrants etc.

A terrible period in history, whatever the case.

Great thread BTW. Lots of stuff here.

Some of You people have no idea. People are people and nothing changes. These same people can be republicans, democrats, christian, muslim, gay, straight, beer drinker sports fan, what ever and they will still have opinions. Just because one group is a little more vocal it doesn't mean they are to blame for all the worlds woes. I was a fundamentalist at one time and the people I went to church with were some of the most peaceful people I have ever met. Now they might try to witness to You but other than that they were ok people when they didn't talk about their beliefs which You people don't realize. I don't see how they are any different then say a republican whom is very opinionated on taxes or welfare. What about the democrats about so called social justice and abortion. These two groups are going to always argue with what they think is best for society even though these two groups have different life experiences. Most christians go to work and then church on the week ends. Hell most of them You wouldn't know they were christian unless You singled them out. I work with several christians and the only difference between them and the other guys is they don't talking about sex, drinking, & partying. So stop brushing people with a wide brush because it makes You look just as intolerant as the christians you hate so much.

reply to post by jkm1864


JKM, I will say this. I do believe that most of what has been done was done with the thought they were doing "right." However, history and spiritual truth never die.

If you look at things like the inquistion, the "church" basically tried to eradicate spiritual ideas that had been around for thousands and thousands of years before Christ, certainly before the "church." While doing this, they made sure to say, "The truth never dies." Ha, it's ironic, they sure did try like hell to kill it, but, invariably, they must have been correct because many of the ideas that they tried to eradicate still exist.

[edit on 6-6-2009 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by Roark

Great thread BTW. Lots of stuff here.

Thank you for the compliment, Roark. I have tried to show both sides of the argument.

Jews, Muslims and Christians... all three religions are principalities of Azazeel he is the fallen angel that is purported to have taught man the martial skills and the manufacture of weaponry. All three of these religions do not walk their talk except Islam which preaches death to all infidels and I don't think that's good for any human beings well being. The only creatures that the Muslims and the Jews give a break to is the Pig. It is because they are pigs. Christians don't give any creature a break not even the pig. They are quick to kill and make bacon. I think all of Abraham's children are murderers of women and children. This is only my humble opinion.

reply to post by ablue07


A bit bitter, are we? Hey, I understand. However, I think it is pertinent to look at issues from all sides and put them into perspective.

There is not much arguing, as far as I am concerned, about whether the "war on terror" is a religious war. I think it is fairly obvious to an astute mind that it is very much a religious war.

With that being said, I think that the world needs to consider its options in regards to what it's going to do about it. In my honest opinion, it is a situation that has become completely out of control.

Hi/

When one speaks and uses their faith to back an opinion, it is frowned upon,ridiculed and made a joke of,to say the least!
When one speaks and uses their lack of knowledge as an opinion,they are called stupid idiots or the like,.
When one speaks , although it may be lacking in wisdom,or thoughts without sense ,all sides want to bow down to it.
Oh my, the grandeur of an atheist!
To have an opinion?
To not have an opinion?
To believe in God?
To not believe in God?


~A quote.

We must not measure the reality of love by feelings,
but by results.
Feelings are very delusive.
They often depend on mere natural temperament,
and the devil wrests them to our hurt.
A glowing imagination is apt to seek itself rather than God.
But if you are earnest in striving to serve and endure for God's sake,
if you persevere amid temptation,
dryness,
weariness,
and desolation,
you may rest assured that your love is real.

... Jean N. Grou (1731-1803)

All Faith,Hope and Love seems lost amongst those that never quit!

~The Sign of the times~

... even him whose coming is after the working of satan with all lying wonders,
and with all deceivableness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,
that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness (2 Thess. 2:3-4, 9-12).

also to quote/"Therefore, brethren,
stand fast,
and hold the traditions which ye have been taught,
whether by word,
or our epistle" (2 Thess. 2:15).
"There be some that trouble you,
and would pervert the Gospel of Christ.
But though we,
or an angel from heaven,
preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be anathema.
As we said before,
so say I now again: If any preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received,
let him be anathema" (Gal. 1:8-9).

And so the War begins!
Did it Ever End?

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helen