'USAF struck Syrian nuclear site'

Maybe it was the "missing Barksdale Nuke"...........


This changes everything.


Get ready for nuclear pearl harbor.

Get ready for operation glass parking lot Iran.

reply to post by traderonwallst

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Using AJ as a source for anything requires at least two credible sources or it should not be considered but instead ignored. Your point is well made. AJ is a Propaganda Rag available to the highest Jihadist Bidder. Only supporters of most radical elements of the Middle East would consider it a reliable source for anything beyond the weather forecast.

This story is like so many others in that secrecy leads to meaningless wild speculation. Which is all this entire story is. Then when the veil of secrecy lifts and the truth is known, everyone will call the true story propaganda based on the fantasy story in AJ. How sad.

It is even sadder that people have become so jaded that they fail to recognize that 99% of the news reported in the Mainstream US News is absolute fact. It is like throwing out everything in the Pantry because one little piece of food is spoiled. It is nonsense. On the other side of the coin, story's found on Internet Sites like this are 99% false and yet people can't wait to believe them. The irony of it all.

It is also sad that people seem to not know that Opinion and Editorial Pieces are not news. News Stories contain only facts. Unfortunately many News Sources have started mixing Op/Ed in with the news and not labeling it for what it is. Reading the News is becoming an art. You have to know how to separate the Op/Ed from actual news stories.

Bottom line for me these days is if the Source is "Unnamed" the whole story is a Piece Of Crap not fit for consumption. These stories belong where I tend to keep such things. I flush them down the toilet.

In this case the simple fact that China and Russia are not screaming means this story is double Crap.

reply to post by traderonwallst

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This is a second hand report from Al-Jazeera.

You can't seriously take this seriously. Seriously, now.

How would Al-Jazeera know that tactical nukes were aboard.

If anyone dropped a nuke anywhere in the atmosphere, alarms would have gone of all over Europe and the Middle East.

Remember Chernobyl?

I didn't think so.

Common, this was about 30 days ago! Ergo about 28 days ago a fair quantity of the Earth's crust would now be in your lungs... Had you lived.

Might be a little behind times, here... but - wow, dude.

First off - you can retrofit just about any weapon to any aircraft provided you have the propper ground clearance and can physically handle the mass of the weapon (critical durring maneuvers - when that 250lb sidewinder turns into a one ton brick sitting out on the end of your wingtip at about 8Gs). You can jerry-rig the avionics to do just about anything if you have techs worth their rations.

So, plenty of fighter craft carry bombs - and when it comes to tactical missiles - many different aircraft carry them. The F-16 is capable of employing JDAM and JSOW weapons - as is the B-52, B-2, F/A-18 (C,E,F, and G models), the F-14D was used to deliver laser-guided ordinance (worked well as a Naval version of the F-111) as well as scare the bejesus out of people in an installation we couldn't bomb (because we didn't know who was there - so we just scared them all out of their hole with a sonic-boom like no other).

And, when it comes to tactical nuclear weapons - they can fit on just about any tactical delivery platform - hence their name. And, no - tactical nuclear weapons are measured in the kilotons - sometimes tens of kilotons. They aren't the multi-megaton city killers of 1960s paranoia. Fallout is rather minimal from them. And, really - the processing facilities for nuclear weapons are very large, expansive projects that would require tactical nuclear weapons or a really good saturation bombing campaign to ensure it is completely incapacitated.

For the sake of simplicity and operational security - I would use a tactical nuclear weapon and a small strike force to accomplish the mission. However, that does not mean this is what was done.

Since all I've seen, so far, are rather sketchy reports on what, exactly, was involved - I would have to say that accounts of what aircraft were involved cannot be reliable. I know plenty of people in the military who couldn't tell you the difference between a C-130, a C-5, and an F-15. Much less the difference between a Rafale and a Eurofighter or a Saab Grippen. Even I can mistake those for each other at times, depending upon the viewing angle and distance - and I'm an aircraft fanatic. I even swore I saw an F-14 flying around with the F-15s from Whiteman up here - but I know that can't be - because all of the F-14 squadrons were being decommissioned or switched over to F/A-18 Es.

And how they would know what types of munitions they were carrying.... sounds a little iffy. Although, there are often aircraft placed in the air with such ordinance on standby in case they are needed to respond to an unexpected situation. It's not exactly publicized - because we like to beleive that nuclear weapons are evil and akin to suicide (well, on the PR side - it is) - but the reality is that they are incredibly powerful "trump-cards" that can stave off catastrophic failure and ultimately save the lives of many if we run into unexpected nasty surprises.

Also, if it's a chemical plant or biological weapon plant.... using a standard MK-84 or GBU-28B is a rather ill-advised thing. A tactical nuclear weapon would vaporize anything potentially harmful. Even the notorious Fuel-Air bombs have risks involved when used against such facilities - especially biological.

But, if this is true - I say, it's about dang time, already. It's high time we let them build a nice, complex, advanced facility - then wreck it all in a billionth of the time they took to make it. "We'll blow America up! We're making nuclear weapons!" .... Hmm.... We HAVE Nuclear weapons... lots of them.... you really think we're going to just sit here and let you build stuff to blow us up with?

This is what was reported on CNN. There is no mention of any US aircraft nor any nukes being used. Syria would have screamed and squealed like a stuck pig if nukes were used.




I guess the UN, Syria, Israel, US, GB, France, Russia and China are all covering up a nuke strike by the US! If you believe that one, I got some ocean front property in Arizona I'll sell you...

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reply to post by pstrron

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Sounds like a good offer. That's like a few thousand square miles of beach, there! I'd have so much sand to play with - I just wouldn't know what to do

I highly doubt nuclear weapons were used, too. If nothing else, from the logical standpoint - the LAST thing the military needs on them is "They used nukes now!" ..... We'd have to start conducting counter-insurgency operations in the U.S.

Of course - I guess that is, in and out of itself, a very good reason to cover it up - and proof that there is a coverup.... Hmm.....

Guess it all depends upon where you want to let your mind wander.

reply to post by Aim64C

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Very true, there would be no end to the counter insurgency. However, lets not forget the source used, This second hand report from Al-Jazeera. Now thats a reliable source...NOT. They are as reliable as my dog at giving the evening news.

The OP mentioned logic, well logic dictates no nukes were used or reported by any credible news agency world wide. Light one of those firecrackers are it leaves a very specific signature, which btw is missing.

It was Israel not the US that bombed Syria. Syria would just love to point the finger at the US other than the Hawaiian good luck finger.

Ok...stop being mean...I think he meant well when he posted this silly article. He read it, he believed and trusted it without looking at the source and wanted to make a conspiracy where there was none.

Remember, He can say whatever he wishes here. That's what those boys and girls are dying for over there. They are dying to give OTHERS democracy and FREEDOM.

Leave him alone and let's play somewhere else.

reply to post by actonkid

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I agree, he meant well and most likely thought this second hand report from Al-Jazeera was credible. Even I have made mistakes on sources.

If no one ever posted anything unless there was 100% clear evidence, sure wouldn't be much to read here or discuss.

Hi guys

I saw this from a slightly more credible news source here

They seem to have gone to great lengths to hide whatever was going on there so if there was any hint of nuclear weapons used against them would they not love to try and prove that?

There is something very strange going on here...(as usual)

'USAF struck Syrian nuclear site'
By JPOST.COM STAFF

Is noted as an "article," not comentary or opinion.

the Jpost cites Al-Jazerra, however there is no report on Al-Jazerra...

For nearly a month now, nothing about this story is adding up. I keep asking myself, "who gains?"

Why would the Jerusalem Post make such a foolish and obvious blunder citing a non-existent report on Al-Jazerra? They had to know their credibility would be badly damaged as soon as anyone took the time to look.

It will be interesting the learn what the USAF has to say about all this... If (and that's a very big IF at this point) it's true we used a nuclear weapon without provocation or first documenting a valid threat from Syria, then we have truely become a rogue nation. God help us, because no one else will.

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I thought the new Tactical Nuclear Weapons were a newer form of Bunker Busters. Thus they hit the ground, go down into the earth and then explode making the ground above collapse inwards and thus reduce fallout greatly.

But I could be wrong but that was the way they got explained to me from a few websites.

reply to post by Gambit777

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Actually all the BBC says is that they can't confirm that it's the same site as was hit by the ISRAELI AF. It talks strictly about IAF aircraft hitting the site, and unidentified fuel tanks being found on the ground near Turkey.

reply to post by Aim64C

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Everyone please stop accusing me of saying nuclear weapons were used. I have over and over said they were NOT!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR THE ENTIRE POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by actonkid

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Did you read my post to Mirthful, or did you just jump to a conclusion and post this????? Ithanked Mirthful for his post earlier and agreed with him the source was a joke. What I started the post for was to point out that when Al-Jazeera writes an article about a US bombing and points to civilian deaths, EVERYONE screams and yells death to America. Everyone seems to take that as damning evidence because they are there. I am just saying its quite hypocritical to take news from this source and agree when it furthers your cause and then trash it as junk reporting when something silly comes out. Stop doing this and I will stop posting news from Al-Jazeera!!! Deal?????????



Stupid does as stupid is told to do!

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That doesn't make sense though. If they DIDN'T use the Tactical Nukes they were carrying, how does Al Jazeera know they were carrying them? It's not like they advertise that they are carrying nuclear weapons when they do. If you look at a "standard" ALCM it doesn't look THAT much different from a nuclear ALCM.

reply to post by Odium

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no thats not what happens - its called a bunker buster as the shock wave is `designed` to collapse deep bunkers - what creates the shock wave isn`t of much consequence to these people.


www.armscontrolwonk.com...

that is a `bunker buster` diagram - see the cloud - its a slightly below surfice detonation - even underground tests at hundreds of feet down have breached the surface and spread millions of tons of radioctive fallout.

Government doesn't really care about civilians, they just want to prevent others from getting nuclear weapons by any means. The general American public doesn't really care, for all I know, they just want to "blow a fing glass crater out of the fing Middle East"