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NASA Scientist Fired - Promises Disclosure

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posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:13 PM
reply to post by zorgon

Back iin the early 70s there was a book in circulation by, I believe, an Italian author. However, the title and author name escape me. The whole concept was that the moon is a spaceship. It had numerous close up photos of all kinds of structural references that were taken by camera. It showed various lights, on and off, doors, opened and closed, and one place that I thought was a joke, it showed a large screw (REEEAALLLYYYY LARGE).

I have searched for it all these years, in vain, but it was interesting to say the least.

So maybe, just maybe Spaceship Luna isn't so far fetched.

Beside that, John Lear... Love him or hate him, has never, to my knowledge been caught in a lie.

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:14 PM
I could not find anything of use on as someone had earlier suggested.

Another member, sputniksteve or someone, said the pics are not convincing by themselves but only when considered with what is presented in the text. If the pics aren't that great, why was NASA so keen on destroying them. Who cares if the little blob on the screen could possibly be the vacation home of ET? As long as it is deniable, why bother?

Come to think of it disclosure is not in the best interests of a lot of people other than the much maligned 3-letter orgs. What would Hoagland and buddies do for a living when ET existence becomes common knowledge, if ever? Best to keep spinning tales so people run out to buy more books on grainy pics of far away rock formations ....

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[edit on 1-11-2007 by 2believeor0]

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:17 PM
You really have to wonder about NASA et al and their mind set...

They discovered water ice on the moon in 1994
Pentagon 'released' this in a report dated 1996
The report was made public Oct 2006

And talks of an 'ice lake' "100 square kilometers and 50 feet thick"
From the DoD not NASA (Clementine was a DoD program)

They say Mars is dry and desolate...
Then they say "there may have been water"
Then they say "there was a LOT of water" and show us pictures of river beds, deltas etc..
Then they say there is enough water ice on Mars to cover the entire planet in 30 feet of water

New discoveries? No they knew all along... you just didn't have a 'need to know'

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Badge01

I don't mean to be contentious - I'm really curious.

What would disclosure of their being an atmosphere similar to Earth's at 18,000 feet do to the powers? I'm just not seeing an effect.

Are you saying it's just the threat of further disclosures?

IMO, when you think about it, none of the things, bases, atmosphere, reactors is dangerous to the status quo if they leak it out judiciously.

Disclosure that there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon would mean that everything the government has told us and everything they have done since after World War 2 was based on a lie.

The lie goes back at least as far as Rear Admiral Simon Newcomb in Europe in 1870. Probably farther back than that.

A breathable atmosphere on the moon means we lied about the entire space program. Mercury, Gemini. Apollo, Spacelab, all the deaths and money spent was unnecessary because we were already there.

It means the government lied about when we first went to the moon (1962) first went to Mars (1966) all of the mining that has gone on, the technological advances, the Mars program and all the space exploration.

All the secret space programs including the secret space stations. And that would lead to the Direct Energy Weapons that we have in space and that we fabricatred 911 and dropped the World Trade Center with the DEW, killing 3000 of our own citizens to fabricate a war.

There is no way the government could control that kind of damage to themselves. the safest and easiest thing to do would to do what I suggested previously. Bomb ourselves and blame aliens. That way they can say that all the secret stuff was to PROTECT US. And that they needed our help in a time of crises.

Thanks for the post.

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Copernicus
reply to post by ArMaP

Thats good.

Ok, maybe there is a glimmering hope after all...

How I wish!
Previously, someone said the man was fired. Then that changed to transferred, and now we have info that he is retired. I am beginning to wonder who is the real Doc Johnston.

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:21 PM

Originally posted by ArMaP
... a Masters in Theology and his PhD. in Meta Physics...

Interesting. I wonder just who is giving out Ph.D.s in Meta Physics these days. I wonder if he minored in Dowsing or Aura Reading.

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:27 PM
I thought this may be useful as some sort of background on Ken Johnson.

Found on a NASA technical reports server some reports authered or co authored by him.

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:27 PM
reply to post by zorgon
You could also have posted the rest of the information about the Moon's atmosphere.

Total mass of atmosphere: ~25,000 kg
Surface pressure (night): 3 x 10^-15 bar (2 x 10^-12 torr)
Abundance at surface: 2 x 10^5 particles/cm3

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:31 PM
reply to post by 2believeor0

Even according to Ken Johnston, NASA did not ordered that the pictures should be destroyed, they ordered 4 of the 5 copies destroyed.

So they would have a copy in that specific location for which Ken Johnston was responsible.


reply to post by sherpa

His name is Johnston, not Johnson.

[edit on 1/11/2007 by ArMaP]

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:32 PM

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth"

"I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion."

"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us."

"Each administration has probably tried to figure out how, with the least embarrassment, they could confess to this whole thing,"

Astronaut Gordon Cooper - told to a United Nations panel in 1985

"I had a good friend at Roswell, a fellow officer. He had to be careful about what he said. But it sure wasn't a weather balloon, like the Air Force cover story. He made it clear to me what crashed was a craft of alien origin, and members of the crew were recovered. - Astronaut Gordon Cooper"

When asked why has the government kept its UFO secrets for so many years?

"It started in World War 2, when the government didn't want people to know about UFO reports in case they panicked," said Cooper. "They would have been fearful it was superior enemy technology that we had no defense against.

"Then it got worse in the Cold War for the same reason.

"So they told one untruth, they had to tell another to cover that one, then another, then just snowballed.

"And right now I'm convinced a lot of very embarrassed government officials are sitting there in Washington trying to figure a way to bring the truth out. They know it's got to come out one day, and I'm sure it will.

"America has a right to know!"

Here is the rest of the speech and interview...

Gordon Cooper

Well I suppose he is just another 'nut case" out to sell a book and get rich...

"Leap of Faith: An Astronaut's Journey in the Unknown"
by Gordon Cooper

Well don't worry he won't get rich on this... but fortunately his story will live on as it made it to print...

Cooper, who piloted the sixth and last flight of the Mercury program and later commanded Gemini 5, died Oct. 4 at his home in Ventura, Calif. He was 77 years old.


Maybe you book haters should call the news papers and demand that they too share their information for free...

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:41 PM

Today we have with us a group of students, among America's best. To you we say we have only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth's protective layers. There are many places to go beyond belief. Those challenges are yours--in many fields, not the least of which is space, because there lies human destiny.

Neil Armstrong Pentagon Speech

Story and Videos

Filed Transcript Library of Congress

Astronaut Buzz Aldrin On Apollo 11 UFO Sighting

Yes there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. And there is some group of people somewhere that may or may not be associated with Government at this point, but certainly were at one time, that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge or not permit it to be widely disseminated.

I cannot answer who are these people. But there is a lot of evidence that points to what I call a clandestine group- people who have some quasi affiliation with Government and certain Government facilities but operate in a very stealth and secret way that is not generally under high level Government control as far as we can tell. From all that I know, yes there has been ET visitation and may continue to be. There have been craft that have been recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And, that there are Earthlings who are utilizing some of this equipment in certain ways.

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell

Read the WHOLE strory here and a note from E Mitchell

Just more 'nut cases' I assume huh?


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posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:48 PM

Originally posted by zorgon

Maybe you book haters should call the news papers and demand that they too share their information for free...

Actually they do, on their websites. Infact even the cost of printing and distribution is met through ads, not from subscription fees.

Would'nt it be nice if Hoagland and others promising all the goody info, could post it all right here. Actually they might even earn more, for people would want to hear from them but that would be if they had anything substantial. Seemingly, they dont ...

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:51 PM

Originally posted by ArMaP
About the scientist status of Ken Johnston, the only thing I could find until now was this:

three BS degrees in Aviation and Aerospace Engineering
Masters in Theology
PhD. in Meta Physics

But he's not a scientist... glad you cleared that up

So did Ken Johnson SAY he was a scientist? Or did others merely assume "scientist" because of the Dr. that he seems to have earned?

And just what denotes a 'scientist'? I would have thought 'Aviation and Aerospace Engineering' qualifies as a 'science'?

Thanks for finding the credentials... they look good to me

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:51 PM
reply to post by Nohup

I just did a search. You can get a Doctorate in Meta-Physics from any number of on-line courses. Just not from a credible or accredited School. Pony up the money and you too can call yourself Dr.

He should hide that fact if this fellow wants to be taken seriously.

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posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:51 PM
"They" seem to be getting the public ready for major alien disclosure kind of thing. Not complete discolosure, it probably won't be the truth anyways, but the propaganda machines are running at full capacity lately with the bull*#& about how well our economy is doing, the so called threat from Iran, and there has been a lot about aliens and life on other planets. There is truth to every lie, so even if this guy is just trying to sell books, chances are NASA has been hiding something either way, and they don't just let some douche work at NASA. The coming months and years are going to be full of some pretty crazy news.

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 05:53 PM

Originally posted by ArMaP
have posted the rest of the information about the Moon's atmosphere.

Why? I posted the link...
I only needed the Helium figures to talk about the existence of helium in gaseous form

Boy you guys are getting desperate LOL

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 06:00 PM
reply to post by zorgon

Just because NASA signed them up does not mean people have to give up their beliefs. If Gordon Cooper or anyone else wants to believe in ETs or sightings of UFOs (apparently he lied about being present when it was someone else altogether), no one can stop him. I am not denying the possibility of ET/UFO existence, merely questioning the lack of good evidence in most cases.

Again, I wish true disclosure would happen. But if it had to happen, it would have by now. There has been plenty of time since the supposed beginning of observations.

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 06:01 PM

Originally posted by 2believeor0
Seemingly, they dont ...

LOL they don't have to...

We do all this for free and in the course of what we show you... they get exposure for their books...

HEY Maybe we should get a commission

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 06:01 PM
reply to post by ArMaP

Yeah I noticed that I had a phone call in the middle of that and I did not notice in time.

posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Nohup
Interesting. I wonder just who is giving out Ph.D.s in Meta Physics these days. I wonder if he minored in Dowsing or Aura Reading.

Uh huh typical arm chair critic... just ignore the three engineering degrees...

Even Robert Bigelow supports Meta physics and he is a billionaire building space modules...


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