Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by JimO

Thanks for the research Jim, however I am going to wait until I hear Ken's side of the story before I make up my mind on the Nazi issue.

Slightly off at a tangent. There is an interesting article about the Nazi connection to your PRESIDENT at

www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

taken from the April 2007 Idaho Observer.

Originally posted by pippadee

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by JimO

Thanks for the research Jim, however I am going to wait until I hear Ken's side of the story before I make up my mind on the Nazi issue.

Slightly off at a tangent. There is an interesting article about the Nazi connection to your PRESIDENT at

www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

taken from the April 2007 Idaho Observer.

You know, some of you give the nazis waay too much credit. What's happened is they have migrated from historical context to becoming a symbol of the darkness inherit in our own subconscious. Like the Devil makes us do it.

And don't forget the Masons too. They are behind everything that goes "bumb" in the night, doncha know.

There are no super villains, just like there are no super heroes. People who believe in this reality are still living in comic strips.

Sure, we might have "super" weapons, but there are no "super" men.

edit to add Masons, maybe later I'll add the Bermuda Triangle too

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Originally posted by pippadeein my opinion, you are sadly mistaken if you think there are no super villains around.

If you are talking about men, no. The Devil of the Sixth Heaven is, well, a devil. A super villain, but not a man.

If you don't believe in the Devil then you cannot believe in ubermen. Not until giants and men of renown are on the Earth.

You said something about reptilians. I doubt if our classification of reptile brains applies to such a creature. I usually refer to them as saurians, highly evolved versions of our own dinosaur past, theoretical on an alternative timeline. I am certain there are races among the stars, at least a few, who are indifferent to us, just as we are indifferent to our wildlife, like in the Amazon. There may be a race of saurians like that.

But the fear mongering, its all a test for our reactions. Then after the fearful minds are weeded out, we will be "domesticated", in a manner of speaking. But it is a necessary evil if we are ever to sit down at the table with other intelligent life among the stars. Kind of like losing your soul and gaining the world.

Its all a very dreadful prospect, this growing up business.

"Waiting" for a reply from Johnston allows him to have veto power over any criticism of his claims, in effect.

He starts out by making claims. They are repeated in Dark_Misssion.

I do some investigation, and dispute those claims.

Bara, replying on behalf of Johnston, posts 'certificates', none of which refute my disputation.

Bara makes claims about me that are demonstrably false:
1. I was a colleague of Johnston's during Apollo and knew all his claims were valid. False.
2. Consequently my asking questions about those claims is an unethical personal 'attack' on Johnston, a smear. False and defamatory.
3. I contacted NASA JPL's 'Solar System Ambassador' program, on the instigation of the dark forces, with a demand that Johnston be expelled from the volunteer program ("fired"). False and defamatory.
4. Had I not raised those credentials questions, NASA would never have caught on the Johnston had 'spilled the beans' to Hoagland in his book.
Preposterous.

Even when directly challenged, Bara/Johnston fail to produce any evidence Johnston had authority over unique Apollo photo archives.

Even when directly challenged, Bara/Johnston fail to produce any documentation that Johnston earned a real "PhD".

Even when directly challenged, Bara/Johnston fail to produce any documentation Johnston ever graduated from, or even attended, military flight school.

Instead, the produce documents which show quite the opposite, while claiming that the documents show support for his claims.

They've made their best case, in attempted rebuttal of investigation results demolishing their original claims. It's time for a presumption of evidence to lead to preliminary conclusions -- not time to call 'time out' until Johnston comes up, if ever, with something better.

When he ever does, the evaluation of the conflicting claims can be reassessed. Keep in mind that the longer time he has to respond, the longer time he (or an associate) has to arrange bogus documentation.

If he HAD real documentation, seems to me he could have -- and would have -- posted it on Bara's blog weeks ago. The absence of any such posting should be indicative of something -- not proof he deserves an indefinite 'time out'.

Greetings Jim

So if Ken Johnston is a fraud...
And Bara and Hogland knew this...

It begs the question...
Why go through all the hype? To be sure even bad press may be good press... but considering the subject matter and the already difficult task of convincing people...

Why would someone go to all this trouble? Seems it would hurt not help book slaes... unless they have an ace up their sleeve I fail to see the purpose...

Something is missing here... but thanks for stopping to help clear this up :up

As to the mixup about the Larry King show... the person on that show was also named James and at first glance I too thought it was you Never having seen you closely before or this other fellow there is a resemblance... I had to go back and check after you said you were not on it an then U saw the name banner..

I also saw your video for discovery on the food problems on the ISS

"Pigging Out in Orbit"
www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm (Windows Media Player)

I notice you made no mention of the fresh fruits and vegetables they have... over 500 lbs on Progress in one manifest

Originally posted by zorgon
It begs the question...
Why go through all the hype? To be sure even bad press may be good press... but considering the subject matter and the already difficult task of convincing people...

I think that it's a psychological ploy. They know that the average reader (and by "average" I mean someone who is not inclined to take their claims seriously) will probably not see in the photos what they're being told by Bara and Hoagland that they're seeing.

They're banking on, perhaps, that if the source of the photos (if not the actual interpretation of those photos) is someone with "credentials", that reader may give the claims more weight than they otherwise would.

It's the old appeal to authority. It's why we quote William Shakespeare and not Billy the drive-thru window guy.

Hmm. Mister Johnston's uniform, in that photo, includes neither wings, ribbon(s) nor even a name plate. Very strange "uniform", imho.

Edit to add: And any "official photo" that looked remotely like that one would have an American flag in the background.

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Sorry my edit failed on me................

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Do you suppose its the same object reflected in the astronauts helmet/faceshield?




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