Originally posted by WolfofWar
So we have a fired scientist, with no proof of his claims, and motivation to lie to help sell a book for cash.

Unfortunately,that is my concern too.
If someone would just come out and present the facts without anything to sell.
This guy will be used to a large pay cheque so his motivation IS in question.

I wish honesty wasn't a sellable commodity

Originally posted by KSCVeteran

John Lear:
One chapter of my amazing books would prove almost all that hoagland is saying.
Aliens would not be wondered about any longer!
Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet. KSC, Florida

Thanks Clark and I know that you could confirm what Hoagland/Bara are saying and a lot more! A lot more! Its getting you to talk! All I am saying is that we are there now and have been for 45 years

Good to hear from you Clark.

If KSCVeteran is really who he said that he is, then this is looking very promising. Looks like we have people from the inside right here on ATS that want the truth to be know.

Go Clark C. McClelland!

Go Ken Johnston!

While I cant speak for all of ATS, there will be a lot of us here that are behind you all of the way and got your back.

[edit on 11/1/07 by housegroove23]

Originally posted by Vector J

Whoa there john. You can't have a substantially thicker atmosphere on one side of a stellar body than on the other. Atmospheres, generally speaking are fairly uniform across a surface, air doesn;t tend to congregate in one place. Or are you trying to say it's being forcibly held there? In which case, I'd love to hear your opinion on how on earth that would be possible... Vector J

Thanks for the post Vector J.

Look. Do me a favor. I get tired of writing the same thing every day. Let me respectfully suggest that you search every post I have made on Peter Andreas Hansen, do a little research yourself and then come and ask questions.

Your indulgence would be greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by KSCVeteran

One chapter of my amazing books ..

Exactly my point

We get promises of 'disclosure' 'evidence' 'amazing proof' all under the threats of what would the U.S government would do to prevent the spillage of all this info.

Aren't you running scared?
Wouldn't it be safer to pass the proof to numerous third party sources to distribute freely,thus taking away the confidentiality and the need to 'shut up' the original 'leak'?

Or is it just to make it more exciting to sell books?

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Vector J

Whoa there john. You can't have a substantially thicker atmosphere on one side of a stellar body than on the other. Atmospheres, generally speaking are fairly uniform across a surface, air doesn;t tend to congregate in one place. Or are you trying to say it's being forcibly held there? In which case, I'd love to hear your opinion on how on earth that would be possible... Vector J

Thanks for the post Vector J.

Look. Do me a favor. I get tired of writing the same thing every day. Let me respectfully suggest that you search every post I have made on Peter Andreas Hansen, do a little research yourself and then come and ask questions.

Your indulgence would be greatly appreciated.

just to follow that up, I don't specifically know why johnlear believes this, he seems to believe many things. But the claim that the atmosphere must be uniform doesn't take into account the gravity of the Earth-moon system. Since the moon only ever shows us one face, there is a difference in tidal forces from one side to the other. This difference shows up in calculations of the escape velocity for particles in the moons atmosphere. Bottom line? It is a possibility that johnlear is right on this one.

Originally posted by AGENT_T

Unfortunately,that is my concern too.
If someone would just come out and present the facts without anything to sell.
This guy will be used to a large pay cheque so his motivation IS in question.

I wish honesty wasn't a sellable commodity

Thanks for the post AGENT_T.

I admire your principles but would question your grasp of reality.

Thanks for the post.

Originally posted by Eddy_Jordan
It is a possibility that johnlear is right on this one.

Uh.....no. The tidal forces exerted by the Earth would haul whatever thin atmosphere there is on the moon to the side facing the Earth. Just like the Moon's tidal force raises the ocean level and atmospheric depth, right here on good ol' Earth.

zorgon......I looked at the sources on your first post here....Pravda? Really? You may as well use The Star for all its journalistic qualities. And the other sources are "press releases" from PRNewswire? You realize of course, that press releases are by design and nature....slanted? They have absolutely zero objectivity?

Heard all these big promises too many times to count. I will flag this and commend the OP for his research but as they say I ain't gonna hold my breath here.

I did a search for "Hoagland" on CNN.com, and found a story on the even burried in "Science & Space".....I tried to see how simple it would have been to navigate on my own, and it seems rather impossible without doing a search for it...The back page of all back pages.

I heard that Bill Richardson, Gov. of NM inquired to some degree about UFO instances over his state.....so I emailed him information on the happenings, thanking him for his attention to the topic, and asking him to consider looking into this topic....Sometimes, though, you don't know which politicians you can count on.....Back during his term Jimmy Carter inquired about UFOs and how they relate to the US military, and we can see how far that got us.....

Originally posted by MrPenny

Originally posted by Eddy_Jordan
It is a possibility that johnlear is right on this one.

Uh.....no. The tidal forces exerted by the Earth would haul whatever thin atmosphere there is on the moon to the side facing the Earth. Just like the Moon's tidal force raises the ocean level and atmospheric depth, right here on good ol' Earth.

Partly right, the forces would pull the atmosphere (made up of however many different gases) towards Earth and indeed many of those particles would reach the escape velocity, resulting in a thinner atmosphere on the Earth facing side of the moon.

[edit on 1-11-2007 by Eddy_Jordan]

Originally posted by MrPenny

Uh.....no. The tidal forces exerted by the Earth would haul whatever thin atmosphere there is on the moon to the side facing the Earth. Just like the Moon's tidal force raises the ocean level and atmospheric depth, right here on good ol' Earth.

Thanks for the post MrPenny. My opinion is that tidal forces/tidal lock are imaginary forces that were fabricated to account for the moons rotational lock.

It is pure speculation whether or not the moon by itself causes earths tides.

In fact, since the moon is probably a space ship it may be something inside the moon that is causing earths tides. Or something else altogether.

But thanks for the post, everybody has an opinion.

Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks for the post Vector J.

Look. Do me a favor. I get tired of writing the same thing every day. Let me respectfully suggest that you search every post I have made on Peter Andreas Hansen, do a little research yourself and then come and ask questions.)

John, I'm not Vector J, but your posts are fairly easy to find, so I availed myself to them. Here's one of your statements:

As far as the story of atmosphere on the moon I am sure there is one. Not as thick as earth but breathable for a little while.

That in fact puts a lower limit on the thickness of the lunar atmosphere. Here in Earth, Mt.Everest is an example of a location where humans can survive for a strictly limited amount of time. Now, there pressure there, as is well known, is about one third of the sea level pressure. Now that, Sir, is still a heck of a lot of air. It is entirely inconceivable that such amount of gas went unnoticed for millenia of observations, in particular during the eclipses. It is perplexing how you chose to ignore that type of simple logic.

Next to this statement:

And its thicker in different places on the moon.

That's impossible without breaking laws of physics.

Originally posted by Eddy_Jordan
Partly right, the forces would pull the atmosphere (made up of however many different gases) towards Earth and indeed many of those particles would reach the escape velocity, resulting in a thinner atmosphere on the Earth facing side of the moon.

Eddy, you imply that the gravitational constant on the surface of the moon changes significantly from one location to the other. This is an error on your part.