NASA Scientist Fired - Promises Disclosure

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posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 11:19 AM
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We have all been waiting a long time for this news...

Wednesday, October 31, 2007
U.S. scientists unveil NASA’s secrets about cities on the Moon and microbes on Mars



The former manager of the Data and Photo Control Department at NASA’s Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the manned Apollo Lunar Program, Ken Johnston, has released quite a number of sensational statements recently in the USA. The specialist said that U.S. astronauts found ancient ruins of artificial origin and a previously unknown technology to control gravitation when then landed on the Moon. Astronauts took pictures of the objects that they found, but NASA ordered Johnston to destroy the images. Johnston did not follow the order. He said that the U.S. government had been keeping this information a secret for 40 years.

Johnston's startling Apollo allegations have recently appeared in a new book, "Dark Mission: the Secret History of NASA," co-authored by former NASA consultant and CBS Science Advisor, Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Bara, an aerospace engineering consultant. According to Kay Ferrari, JPL Director of the SSA Program (in a phone call to Johnston last week), it was Johnston "being quoted [as] criticizing NASA in Hoagland's new book, 'Dark Mission,'" that prompted her to ask for Johnston's resignation from the SSA Program. When Johnston refused, citing First Amendment protections of free speech afforded all NASA employees, even those at JPL, Ferrari apparently decided to remove him arbitrarily from the SSA Program this week without cause.


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NASA Dismisses Former Apollo Photo and Data Manager from JPL Educational Program Missing Apollo Data to be Shown at National Press Conference


Dr. Ken Johnston, former Manager of the Data and Photo Control Department at NASA's Lunar Receiving Laboratory during NASA's manned Apollo Lunar Program, was abruptly terminated Tuesday morning, October 23rd, from JPL's prestigious "Solar System Ambassador" (SSA) Program. All evidence of Dr. Johnston's exemplary 4-year participation in the NASA outreach effort to "communicate the importance of NASA aerospace programs to the public around the world" has been scrubbed from the official JPL SSA website, without formal notification of Dr. Johnston as to cause.


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Dr. Johnston will present documentation of his claims, credentials and key role at NASA October 30th.

Enterprise Mission to Hold Press Briefing on Possible Connection Between Next Space Shuttle Discovery Mission and Classified NASA Findings, at the National Press Club on Tuesday, Oct. 30




The subject: Why is NASA Determined to Launch Space Shuttle "Discovery" October 23rd, Despite NASA Engineering and Safety Center Warnings NOT to Launch? Has NASA Learned NOTHING from the Previous Schedule-Driven Disasters of Challenger and Columbia? Are Classified NASA Lunar Findings Secretly Pressuring the Aging Shuttle Program to Completion by 2010, to Make Way for "Constellation" -- and the New "Space Race" to the Moon?

Why this abrupt international focus on a 21st Century Moon Program -- after over 30 years of the Moon being totally ignored? Did Apollo find "something" of major importance on the Moon, which NASA just forgot to tell the rest of us? And is this somehow connected with NASA's inexplicable urgency to launch Discovery "on schedule," despite the safety issues? The October 30th NPC briefing will present startling answers to these major public policy questions - which could significantly affect the future of the VSE and NASA.


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posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 11:26 AM
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Great Find

So do we buy the book to find out all the details or will they let this news and photos out for general release? I am excited. It is about time we find out all the truth.... Thank you for all your great work Zorgon... I read your post often. You do an outstanding job with research and deflecting the negative comments. Keep up the wonderful work.



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 11:27 AM
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“I have nothing to lose. I have quarreled with NASA and I got fired,” Ken Johnston said.

In a related issue Congress had to step in to order NASA not to destroy data on a recent safety study...

U.S. government hides alarming air-safety report



"NASA should focus on how we can provide information to the public, not on how we can withhold it," NASA Administrator Michael Griffin said in a statement. He said the agency's research and data "should be widely available and subject to review and scrutiny."

Last week, NASA ordered the contractor that conducted the survey to purge all related data from its computers. Congress intervened Monday, saying it will launch a formal investigation and instruct NASA to keep all its data. Griffin said he already was ordering that all survey data be preserved.



So what is going on here? Has NASA just been so accustomed to doing things their way that they think they are above the law?

I think the next few months should prove very interesting indeed... Naturally John and I will be following this story closely, even though Hoagland has the scoop on us...



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by starwatcher1
Great Find

So do we buy the book to find out all the details or will they let this news and photos out for general release? I am excited. It is about time we find out all the truth.... Thank you for all your great work Zorgon... I read your post often. You do an outstanding job with research and deflecting the negative comments. Keep up the wonderful work.


LOL John went out last night to buy the book... I know it sucks that we have to do it that way... but I guess the scientist from NASA needs to pay his mortgage...
I will try to post as much free material as we come across.

This is so big it will surely hit all the normal sources. The Safety issue is already on CNN... I guess they can't cover this one up... not when Congress had to step in..



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:05 PM
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As “Dark Mission” gets into circulation and everybody starts jockeying for position I want to make it clear that Hoagland/Bara’s statement on light scattering at sunrise on the moon is explained as their “shattered lunar dome model”.

While there may indeed be shattered domes on the near side, most notably on Mare Crisium and in the pictures from Apollo 12 and 14 that it is my opinion that the light scattering at sunrise, and other phenomena observed by Firsoff, along with those of D.P. Avigliano, Comstock, Pickering, Haas, Wilkens, Barcroft, Lipski along with opinions of:

(In no particular order)
William Herschel
Mestrius Plutarchus
Nicolaus Copernicus
Aristarchus of Samos
Hans Kepler
Peter Andreas Hansen
William Leitch
John Herschel
William Whewell
Asaph Hall
Mikhail Vasin

is due to a breathable atmosphere on the moon.

My opinion is that the atmosphere is thicker on the farside and requires no domes. The atmosphere on the near side I believe is about equal to 18,000 feet above sea level here on earth and thus requires domes over inhabited areas.

It is my opinion that there is no way that the powers in charge here are going to let the ‘breathable atmosphere on the moon’ become public knowledge.

I also want to make it clear that although I haven't finished the book that all constructs on the moon are referred to by Hoagland/Bara as "ancient", when in fact, it is my opinion that there is currently a civilization on the moon with whom we are actively pursuing mutual agendas which include mining and exploration.

I expect a heck of a show.



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:07 PM
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I've searched and all I can find is that the press conference was scheduled on October 30th.

npc.press.org...

I can find no record of it actually happening. Has anyone been able to find anything?



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:16 PM
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I found an image of the event, but still no video or transcripts, I would like to find a copy of the photos that were presented. Someone may want to grab a copy of this image.

www.viewimages.com...



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:21 PM
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Wow, This is really big news.


We can only hope for the best and hope that this really does get out to the public.


Of course if this does get out it is not even a small sliver of whats really going on, but it could potentially lead to much more. It would open a hole can of worms.


[edit on 11/1/07 by housegroove23]



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:25 PM
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I guess the question is, do we really want to open that can of worms. I think it would be a good idea to open the can very, very slowly. It could have a huge impact on society. It is interesting that I can find no coverage on this press conference, but the room appeared to be filled with people, reporters I assume. Who else would go to a press conference at the Nation Press Club. Its been a few days now and still no word.



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:27 PM
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Im surprised by your hype about this thread?

Check this one out:
ATS Thread

Altough there might be something to it, that big press stunt at the NPC turned out to be mainly to sell a lot of books.
Now go buy...



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by housegroove23
We can only hope for the best and hope that this really does get out to the public.


Its a call for all ATS members to keep a close eye on this one... lets make ATS the forefront of this story...

On the NASA safety report... there are many news services carrying this already..

AP Broke the story so this is mainstream...
U.S. government hides alarming air-safety report
Rita Beamish | The Associated Press October 23, 2007
Orland Sentinal

NASA mum on plane data that might scare you
CNN

NASA won't disclose air safety survey
YAHOO NEWS

NASA refuses to disclose survey of pilots on air safety
Globe and Mail Canada

NASA refuses to release flight safety survey results
ABC

Even was posted at BAD ASTRONOMY...

From the poster...

This is kind of ironic, because this situation boosts the CTers thinking (and with a valid reason in some way) but it also proves that NASA can´t keep a secret like CTers argue,don´t you think?


Only comment so far...

As an aside, I hear the fella that posted that is rather hansom.


And I can't wait to see their take on Ken Johnston..



So far the only comment is...



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posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:34 PM
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Dr. Ken Johnston is a NASA source, one who has first hand evidence. What more proof would anyone want. Personally, I want to see the actual pictures that were presented at the conference. Not to derail the thread, but the have been some high level witnesses coming forward on the Roswell thing as well.

en.wikipedia.org...

I guess for most people, me included, it will take an actual address by the president. Maybe thats not even enough.



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:36 PM
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damn zorgon your posts are alway excellent great find, i hope this really goes down like they said it would or else i'll be disapointed.



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:41 PM
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John Lear:
One chapter of my amazing books would prove almost all that hoagland is saying.
Aliens would not be wondered about any longer!
Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet. KSC, Florida

clark0003@gmail.com



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:43 PM
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Back to Ken Johnston...

So far the news is all repeats of the Enterprise Mission's press release..

Not surprising really If I had such a hot source I would want to 'keep it at home' myself


Fired NASA Whistleblower to Reveal New Apollo Secrets Kept Classified by Space Agency for Over 40 Years
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Seems this has been in the works for some time...

Ken Johnston Calls Again for NASA Vets to Come Forward
Sunday, September 16, 2007



After reading all the postings to this blog for the first time, I was hoping to find that someone besides myself had come forward with more information andevidence. It would be nice to have more FIRST HAND experience and knowledge from others that would provide additional support for the events that I mentioned in my first posting.


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Richard C. Hogland and Fired NASA Employee to hit Nation Press Club - Hoagland New Book #25 NY Times Best Seller

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posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:45 PM
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Not to be a "negative Nancy" by lets look at this guy. He's a scientist who was FIRED from NASA, and wrote a book. He has no presentable proof of any of his allegations, allegations which come out only after he writes a book, not while in the office he once held, perhaps just trying to make a few quick bucks.

I mean, I can work for Lockheed Martin, get fired, then go write a book and claim that lockheed Martin was reverse engineering Extraterrestrial technology to put into stealth bombers, it doesn't make it true.

So we have a fired scientist, with no proof of his claims, and motivation to lie to help sell a book for cash.

Sorry, I need ALOT more evidence then that.



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:48 PM
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Whoa there john. You can't have a substantially thicker atmosphere on one side of a stellar body than on the other. Atmospheres, generally speaking are fairly uniform across a surface, air doesn;t tend to congregate in one place. Or are you trying to say it's being forcibly held there? In which case, I'd love to hear your opinion on how on earth that would be possible...

Vector J



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by flice




Im surprised by your hype about this thread?

Check this one out:
ATS Thread

Altough there might be something to it, that big press stunt at the NPC turned out to be mainly to sell a lot of books.
Now go buy...



Thanks for the post flice. I read that it was going to be a 'history of NASA' so I didn't get too worked up about it. I didn't even order the book.

I thought it might have some of the usual Mars stuff from Hoagland.

But yesterday when I read they (Hoagland/Bara) were making firm statements about structures on the moon and sunrise light scattering I immediately set out to find the book. It took me three hours of driving and had to pay retail plus 10%
.

So while I haven't read the book yet, the battle lines for a breathable atmosphere on the moon are being drawn.



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:50 PM
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Are you Clark C. McClelland?

If so, what type of evidence do you posess?



posted on Nov, 1 2007 @ 12:53 PM
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I read a report about that news conference shortly after it happened (can't find the link now). There was nothing new and/or concrete besides Johnston saying he gave some pics to these other dudes at some point in time. According to the person present, the photo materials shown in that conference were far from convincing. End of story.





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