Having looked at all the films in more detail this morning, I think the STS-120 crystal-like structure is ice and the 'shadow' is actually more ice
(there's another smaller piece just above it as well). @ wierdalienshiznit, on the STS-121 video there are some very similar pieces to the -120
object at 1m00. I think it's too similar to the -120 image (including the multiple pieces that others have assumed is a shadow) to ignore. Whilst ice
would melt on re-entry, I think the ice and booster might be higher than they look from these films.
The object from the STS-115 video is genuinely interesting and not explained (in my mind anyway) as of yet.
NASA UFO STS-120 External Fuel Tank, page 8
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reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 02:29 PM by IAttackPeople
I was really intrigued by the video in the OP. I'd never seen anything like it. I was always of the mind of "ice chunk" but it was such an
unusual shape I was waiting in the ATS Investigative Team to work it out.
Excellent find by Veritas76 for the STS-121 video video showing the exact same type of ice formations as seen in the OP video. You deserve applause for that.
Excellent find by Veritas76 for the STS-121 video video showing the exact same type of ice formations as seen in the OP video. You deserve applause for that.
reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 03:18 PM by wierdalienshiznit
Originally posted by IAttackPeople
I was really intrigued by the video in the OP. I'd never seen anything like it. I was always of the mind of "ice chunk" but it was such an unusual shape I was waiting in the ATS Investigative Team to work it out.
Excellent find by Veritas76 for the STS-121 video video showing the exact same type of ice formations as seen in the OP video. You deserve applause for that.
the sts-121 video shows an ice formation in orbit,it is never anywhere near the fuel tank, which will always be falling faster than ice formation as it has less air resistance.
how can a fuel tank re encounter an object it is falling faster than?
given the fact that in the sts 120 video, a period of 2.30 min had elapsed before the fuel tank can re encounters the object.and some time had passed prior to the filming,this fact is even more poignant.
consider these equations
www.batesville.k12.in.us...
www.grc.nasa.gov...
after seven seconds of falling to earth the an object would have a velocity 70 m per second.
the equations for factoring in air resistance are complicated ,however they do not reduce the speed significantly.a person with his arms and legs outstretch will have reached 52 m per seconds after 7 seconds.this object appears of a comparable shape.
given that terminal velocity for a human with arms and legs stretched out is 82 m per second.
given the temperature of the thermosphere
apollo.lsc.vsc.edu...
and the fact at least 3 mins had elapsed before we see the "ice" re encounter
.
do you believe its possible the ice to survive/re encounter the fuel tank????.
[edit on 4-11-2007 by wierdalienshiznit]
[edit on 4-11-2007 by wierdalienshiznit]
reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 04:58 PM by Veritas76
reply to post by wierdalienshiznit
@ wierdalienshiznit, I disagree, the -120 'shadow' does not move in the same way as the main object. As for the -115 object, it has a more regular structure and all of the ice we have seen form long, thin shapes very different to the triangular shape in the -115 video. Perhaps I would have been more accurate to say it didn't look like ice.
As for how many posts I've made, I have posted on a couple of other threads when I first joined - which as my profile shows was a couple of years ago (yours is a few days old). I'm not a critic - I do believe that there are many unexplained instances out there - but I think you're working too hard to make -120 into something. I only contribute when I have something to say - the best kind, I think.
I also believe that critics are vital - you're right, proof of UFOs won't be easy, and it takes a range of attitudes and beliefs as well as expertise to examine any claim until it can be explained - or not.
[edit on 4-11-2007 by Veritas76]
@ wierdalienshiznit, I disagree, the -120 'shadow' does not move in the same way as the main object. As for the -115 object, it has a more regular structure and all of the ice we have seen form long, thin shapes very different to the triangular shape in the -115 video. Perhaps I would have been more accurate to say it didn't look like ice.
As for how many posts I've made, I have posted on a couple of other threads when I first joined - which as my profile shows was a couple of years ago (yours is a few days old). I'm not a critic - I do believe that there are many unexplained instances out there - but I think you're working too hard to make -120 into something. I only contribute when I have something to say - the best kind, I think.
I also believe that critics are vital - you're right, proof of UFOs won't be easy, and it takes a range of attitudes and beliefs as well as expertise to examine any claim until it can be explained - or not.
[edit on 4-11-2007 by Veritas76]
reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 10:03 PM by IAttackPeople
Originally posted by wierdalienshiznit
what i refer to is that the object and the fuel tank would
have started their descent to earth in comparable time frames, if this encounter were to be possible.
The ice just happened to be between the camera and the tank. This doesn't mean they are near each other. The notion that the ice is descending to Earth is an assumption on your part.
you may notice both the object and the fuel tank are of similar small size from this distance.
the the camera ZOOMS in.
both objects are scaled up by a SIMILAR amount.
And this surprises you?
if the "ice" were CLOSE to the camera,THE ICE SHOULD BE ALOT LARGER when the ZOOM takes place, and fill up half the screen.
I didn't say close. I said closer.
parallax is not in occurance.
The video says otherwise. It's clearly a case of a nearer object moving through the shot of a more distant object.
shadow?.
As has already been pointed out to you, there is no shadow. It is another piece of ice.
Here. Watch this video. At 1:40 you'll be treated to a similar "UFO".
reply posted on 4-11-2007 @ 10:48 PM by wierdalienshiznit
Originally posted by IAttackPeople
Originally posted by wierdalienshiznit
what i refer to is that the object and the fuel tank would
have started their descent to earth in comparable time frames, if this encounter were to be possible.
The ice just happened to be between the camera and the tank. This doesn't mean they are near each other. The notion that the ice is descending to Earth is an assumption on your part.
you may notice both the object and the fuel tank are of similar small size from this distance.
the the camera ZOOMS in.
both objects are scaled up by a SIMILAR amount.
And this surprises you?
if the "ice" were CLOSE to the camera,THE ICE SHOULD BE ALOT LARGER when the ZOOM takes place, and fill up half the screen.
I didn't say close. I said closer.
parallax is not in occurance.
The video says otherwise. It's clearly a case of a nearer object moving through the shot of a more distant object.
shadow?.
As has already been pointed out to you, there is no shadow. It is another piece of ice.
Here. Watch this video. At 1:40 you'll be treated to a similar "UFO".
you obviously havnt understood my post, used a camera before,or know anything about them or perspective.
the closer an object is,there more it is magnified by the the zoom function.since both the objects are increased by the same RATIO upon the zoom,they are at a similar distance.
i can see no such ice at 1.40.there are only stationary clouds.
that shadow is black,ice is not black.
reply posted on 5-11-2007 @ 09:42 PM by wierdalienshiznit
Originally posted by blueyedevil666
i see absolutely nothing unusual in this video....remember the speed at which things are moving as well as differences in pressure/light/sub-zero temperatures and a super-heated metal object bouncing into the upper atmosphere and all that...conclusion: nothing of an alien origin IMO.
think before jumping to the alien theory...isn't that getting kinda cold now? the whole basis of an alien hypothesis based on zero? Just as the nations of the world have no where to hide anymore...wouldn't the same apply to anything of an unearthly origin? Pre-satelluite i MAY have entertained any thoughts on extraterrestrials...but nowadays, its as real as Grendel form the Beowulf epic.
you have not the knowledge to discern this object.
you havnt read the thread.
im glad someone finally mentioned pressure in the upper atmosphere.
observe the low pressure in the upper atmosphere,
apollo.lsc.vsc.edu...
and the affect of pressure on air resistance
www.newton.dep.anl.gov...
there is not enough air pressure in the upper atmosphere to account for the objects shown air resistance.
so either,it has its own method of propulsion,or its lower in the atmosphere.
arcnaver.-i already addressed the parallax issue in a previous post.
remember,those clouds are 100km below the shuttle,that would mean you are saying there happens to be a truely MASSIVE object floating about in the atmosphere in the same speed and direction as the "ice".that itself would raise a world of questions.
i know where you served,i know who you serve.
[edit on 5-11-2007 by wierdalienshiznit]
reply posted on 6-11-2007 @ 02:39 AM by wierdalienshiznit
i would like people to watch the whole video,then focus upon 1.50 min - 2.00 min
www.liveleak.com...
you will notice if you pause at 1.55 min,you will see clouds that are impossible to form naturally..
you will see the astronaut focus the camera upon these clouds.he then focuses on the natural cloud layer below before pulling the viewpoint inside the shuttle.
at 2.04 min he then very briefly recaptures an external view of the natural layer of clouds before again pulling the view away.
it is poignant that we then have a long break in the view,and the next time he pulls the view to outside the shuttle,the "object" is there.
you will not see the astronaut focus on any other cloud/pull the camera off the fuel tank in the entirety of this or any other descent video of the fuel tank.
heres some more about clouds.
www.srh.noaa.gov...
this is it.
www.liveleak.com...
you will notice if you pause at 1.55 min,you will see clouds that are impossible to form naturally..
you will see the astronaut focus the camera upon these clouds.he then focuses on the natural cloud layer below before pulling the viewpoint inside the shuttle.
at 2.04 min he then very briefly recaptures an external view of the natural layer of clouds before again pulling the view away.
it is poignant that we then have a long break in the view,and the next time he pulls the view to outside the shuttle,the "object" is there.
you will not see the astronaut focus on any other cloud/pull the camera off the fuel tank in the entirety of this or any other descent video of the fuel tank.
heres some more about clouds.
www.srh.noaa.gov...
this is it.
reply posted on 7-11-2007 @ 10:09 AM by arcnaver
reply to post by wierdalienshiznit
Just expressing my opinion. The paralaxing I was thinking was between shuttle, Ice and Tank, not the Clouds. You have interesting observations and entertaining, I just dont agree is all.
Just expressing my opinion. The paralaxing I was thinking was between shuttle, Ice and Tank, not the Clouds. You have interesting observations and entertaining, I just dont agree is all.
reply posted on 9-11-2007 @ 04:10 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by arcnaver
for public and secure transmissions?
Oh yeah put me down for those secure ones.... Any hams out there tried 'tuning in"?
As to public go to Kennedy Space Center all kinds of live feeds, even have cameras in the assembly building...
Not all are on all the time
science.ksc.nasa.gov...
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