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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 11:52 AM by Copernicus
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So those were around in ancient human history too? Cool!
And what about in the 1940's with the Battle of LA? Or back before that even when the nazi scientists experimented with trying to reverse engineer
the UFO's?
Yes, some of the UFO's are made by humans and some of the technology are from reverse engineered alien technology. But some alien ships are real out
there... the US is trying to make their own, fine, but they have no chance of competing with genuine ships.
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 12:00 PM by wierdalienshiznit
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Originally posted by Solarskye
Originally posted by Copernicus
Wake up people. You know you're going to have to face reality at some point. UFO's have been here forever, and have been covered up since the
1940's.
Yes ufo's have been here for along time. Here's one that's just coming out of TopSecret society.
Top Secret Stealth Jet Revealed ( Bird Of Prey )
There's the U-2 spy plane, SR-71 Blackbird, F-117 Nighthawk
Northrop Tacit Blue, UAV"s, Aurora, Blackstar, and alot more of them that we won't know
about for a long time. Come on, give us humans more credit than that. ET's I haven't seen, but all those secret ufo's of our topsecret military
just keep popping up.
they are hardly top secret,so many people have seen them for so long,throughout history.
many ufo show qualities that are impossible by any of the craft you posted above.i doubt there was technology available in the past to explain away
historical ufo accounts
give E.T some credit,we will be exploring distant worlds that show signs of life one day  
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 12:06 PM by wierdalienshiznit
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Originally posted by topsailgrl
This is my very first post. Have been reading for a VERY long time.
I watched this footage over and over and I for some reason am seeing something a little different that no one has mentioned so far.
If you watch the video from this link:
spaceflight.nasa.gov...
And stop it at exactly 28 seconds you can see that the object is NOT crystal, ice, trident, or lightening shaped. This object is actually triangular
shaped and possibly reflecting light making it appear oddly shaped.
Most of the object seems to be almost transparent until at the 28 second mark on the footage where the sunlight and clouds reflect the true shape.
once again notice the object pass under a cloud,yet the fuel tank shows no interaction with any clouds in any of the videos.
for if it were below the fuel tank and passing under that cloud,the object would have to massive,bigger than the fuel tank.
electrostatic levitation causes clouds.
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 12:09 PM by wierdalienshiznit
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Originally posted by nightmare_david
Here's video of STS-115 taking off. It was shot from a camera on the external tank.
At 1:47 the small boosters detach. You don't see any huge debris anywhere.
At 2:08 it jumps further ahead into the launch, but you can see how much further ahead they are because you see more of Earth in the background.
At 2:17 the shuttle detaches from the external tank. No large ice chunks or anything seen anywhere and you can clearly make out what's holding th
shuttle to the tank. It actually looks like nothing much attaches the shuttle to the tank and nothing comes off the tank when the shuttle detaches
I don't know how much higher they are from the time the small boosters detach to the time the external tank detaches, but I don't think you'd see
the small boosters anywhere from the shuttle.
Also I want to bring up again that the crystal object has to be huge, possibly bigger than the tank itself. It casts a shadow on clouds and the tank
doesn't. Which puts the object under the tank and look how big it is then. Side by side that would make it bigger than the tank. How would a piece of
ice that big form on that tank (or the shuttle) and come off without at least punturing the tank (or the shuttle) somewhere?
They said a small chunk of foam busted a hole in the shuttles wing. Imagine what a piece of ice the same size as that piece of foam would do.
the object is above the fuel tank and interacting with clouds that shouldnt be there.
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 02:45 PM by Solarskye
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You can believe what you want to about aliens and all the other theories about alien life. For me I don't want to start believing because if
I do then I will be susceptable to believe anything. I say what I think, but it's not believing. People have said that time travel is possible and
I think it might be, but I won't believe it until I see it! 1940 could of been time traveling humans that were accidently spotted on radar and said
Oh! crap we've been seen and threw up the shields and left. But I won't believe that, but it's possible.
I stated all my ufo's as factual craft that has since been spotted or taken off the top secret list. To say aliens are operating ufo's is just
theory and until you can introduce me to an alien then I can't believe they exist. To see a flying saucer doesn't mean an alien is in it. I refuse
to believe what people write down in their books or just looking at something face value.
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 04:04 PM by austinthetitan
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i couldnt see anything help plz
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 05:53 PM by bigvig316
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I don't see anything that we can conclusivly call a UFO, there seems to be what looks like a crystalin structure out there but it was brief and could
be explained away as junk floating around out there. In the 50 years of space flight, I am sure we have left some stuff behind. Plus there what look
to be dots flying around which could logicily be aircraft many mile below the faster moving external fuel tank.
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 06:32 PM by wierdalienshiznit
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Originally posted by bigvig316
I don't see anything that we can conclusivly call a UFO, there seems to be what looks like a crystalin structure out there but it was brief and could
be explained away as junk floating around out there. In the 50 years of space flight, I am sure we have left some stuff behind. Plus there what look
to be dots flying around which could logicily be aircraft many mile below the faster moving external fuel tank.
so your telling me the same object travelling slower than the fuel tank, sighted in these two different encounters ;
www.youtube.com...
www.liveleak.com...
WAS SPACE JUNK
how could the "space junk" be over taken by the fuel tank,re accelerate and then be over taken again?.
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 07:16 PM by bigvig316
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I have re watched the video several times. As I stated before there is nothing on there that could be alien craft or extra terrestrial. There were
however, several small white dots that seem to cut acoss the fuel tank. but by the way they moved, it looks like something broke or feel off the front
of the tank and move quickly out of frame as it where ice condensation and broke off as it was re entering the troposhper. the last white dot at
approx. 4 minute mark could easily be a plane or jet much lower in the atmosphere, as I previously stated. the only thing that could be confused as a
ufo is a strech. the crystalin like object. but when it turns and list laisily out of fram looks like a long hose or rope that is floating as space
junk.
I am sorry my friend, you imagenation may be getting the better of you. I want to believe like the rest of the world, but I am afraid this video will
not due.
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 08:03 PM by wierdalienshiznit
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Originally posted by bigvig316
reply to post by wierdalienshiznit
I have re watched the video several times. As I stated before there is nothing on there that could be alien craft or extra terrestrial. There were
however, several small white dots that seem to cut acoss the fuel tank. but by the way they moved, it looks like something broke or feel off the front
of the tank and move quickly out of frame as it where ice condensation and broke off as it was re entering the troposhper. the last white dot at
approx. 4 minute mark could easily be a plane or jet much lower in the atmosphere, as I previously stated. the only thing that could be confused as a
ufo is a strech. the crystalin like object. but when it turns and list laisily out of fram looks like a long hose or rope that is floating as space
junk.
I am sorry my friend, you imagenation may be getting the better of you. I want to believe like the rest of the world, but I am afraid this video will
not due.
if you read anything i said you would know no have no interest in the spheres.
read the whole thread,please
the object and fuel tank arnt floating they are falling to earth at high speed which burns up solid meteors,ice would melt.
we have already establish the object and fuel tank cannot originate from the same source as the fuel tank falls faster than the object,yet the fuel
tank is over taking the object when it should already have overtaken it early in its descent..
please tell me how the same piece of space junk can be over taken on two seperate occasions by the fuel tank when they are falling to earth?.and when
the fuel tank is falling faster at all times due to less air resistance?
explain it.
i
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 09:48 PM by wierdalienshiznit
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ok i want people to consider the following information.
firstly observe this video of space STS-120 launch
www.youtube.com...
You will discover that the fuel tank is ejected upon orbit(roughly 100km).
These pictures of the "crystaline" object" are being filmed from that incredible height,yet we witness the object cleary casts a shadow upon a
cloud,and passes under one in the other vid.
First vid- shadow is upon cloud at 2.38 secs,lower right hand corner
www.youtube.com...
second vid-the object passes under cloud at 30 secs
www.youtube.com...
consider clouds dont form outside of the troposphere(max height 20KM)
en.wikipedia.org...'s_atmosphere#Temperature_and_layers
this would have to be 80 km below the space shuttle given known science,
So EITHER object is massive enough to cast a shadow that is observable from 80 km above via a hand held cam,OR those clouds as i previously stated are
at a higher altitude than known science,they SHOULD NOT BE THERE .
We can for once disprove the ice theory,from orbit ice has 0% chance of surviving re entry.
in addition with my above post...
taking this serious yet?.
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 10:25 PM by Bean328
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before blasting off they dont use liquid nitrogen to cool the tanks because the only part that would have to cool is the cone at the bottom were the
blast is coming from and they dont have to worry about that because of the fuel mixture they use. when the two ingredients mix they basically become
extremely cold and they are transported through tubes inside the cone to the engine were they are ignited which would take care of any ice that could
possibly but unlikely form.
As for any ice forming at any other part of the tank i think the big vibrations from the engine would take care of anything trying to form and even if
they did they would be pretty small chunks. not like the one in the original video. thats my thoughts on that. any other suggestions?
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 11:28 PM by wierdalienshiznit
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my suggestion would be for people to take the time to look at the points im making.
im puzzled why nowone can seem to understand the importance of the things im saying.
hello?,anyone?, where are all the critics?.
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reply posted on 2-11-2007 @ 11:52 PM by verylowfrequency
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A video well worth posting, but further research would be required before I would classify the object as anything other than part of the jettisoned
tank or ice built up during fueling.
I watched it the first time on the NASA channel and I didn't notice the crystalline looking object, though I have no doubt the object is there & not
added in later.
The crystal object appears to be falling with the tank and may be taking a bit different course because it's aerodynamically dissimilar to the tank.
Likely its a huge piece of ice that formed somewhere between the shuttle & tank and was kept from falling off until the tank separation.
As the tank & object are still shedding off speed after just minutes before being released by the shuttle, thus have not yet built up enough friction
to burn or melt.
Likely NASA would be happy to give you an explanation, unless it is indeed something far out or unknown.
Still a good post & I personally find it spectacular, but then again I've traveled thousands of miles just to watch a launch or two.
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reply posted on 3-11-2007 @ 12:04 AM by wierdalienshiznit
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Originally posted by verylowfrequency
A video well worth posting, but further research would be required before I would classify the object as anything other than part of the jettisoned
tank or ice built up during fueling.
I watched it the first time on the NASA channel and I didn't notice the crystalline looking object, though I have no doubt the object is there & not
added in later.
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The crystal object appears to be falling with the tank and may be taking a bit different course because it's aerodynamically dissimilar to the tank.
Likely its a huge piece of ice that formed somewhere between the shuttle debris & the fuel tank and was kept from falling off until the tank
separation.
As the tank & object are still shedding off speed after just minutes before being released by the shuttle, thus have not yet built up enough friction
to burn or melt.
Likely NASA would be happy to give you an explanation, unless it is indeed something far out or unknown.
Still a good post & I personally find it spectacular, but then again I've traveled thousands of miles just to watch a launch or two.
Thanks for reply,
However, the object passes UNDER a cloud,which must be below 20 km.at this distance the object if it were ice would have melted.
at this distance the differing qualities of air resistance resulting in the fuel tank falling faster than the object would have rendered a
re-encounter between space shuttle debry and fuel tank impossible.especially considering there were TWO SEPARATE encounters between the objects that
resulted in the fuel tank over taking the object.
understand!?
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reply posted on 3-11-2007 @ 12:22 AM by Solarskye
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Your guess is as good as mine on this one. What could it be? I seen it go through the clouds and the shadow you talk about almost looks like a
different but same kind of thing. I just wish there was more time on the video to see if it was another one. At first I thought it might be some
white cables because they rerouted some cables on the ISS, but now I don't know.
It was definetly lower to the clouds than the fuel tank was. Who know's maybe nasa is letting us get a glimpse of whatever these may be on purpose.
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reply posted on 3-11-2007 @ 12:31 AM by verylowfrequency
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I don't see any evidence that the crystal object goes behind the clouds. What I see is an object that is very similar in color to the clouds and a
white object on a white background appears to go behind the clouds because you no longer have a reference of blue ocean and thus the object looks as
though it going under or through the clouds, but that is just an optical illusion - in my opinion.
At this point I don't see enough evidence to believe otherwise.
As far as seeing the object twice. Another illusion is created because the camera is constantly zooming & panning therefore the camera brings the
object back into view, not the object flying back into view. Still there's the possibility that the object may change speeds while tumbling faster in
the one position and more drag in another just like air brakes on an aircraft wing can slow and aircraft when in the deployed position and speed the
aircraft when not.
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reply posted on 3-11-2007 @ 12:34 AM by wierdalienshiznit
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Originally posted by Solarskye
reply to post by wierdalienshiznit
Your guess is as good as mine on this one. What could it be? I seen it go through the clouds and the shadow you talk about almost looks like a
different but same kind of thing. I just wish there was more time on the video to see if it was another one. At first I thought it might be some
white cables because they rerouted some cables on the ISS, but now I don't know.
It was definetly lower to the clouds than the fuel tank was. Who know's maybe nasa is letting us get a glimpse of whatever these may be on
purpose.
if it is below the fuel tank,then the object must be MASSIVE as this film was recorded at an altitude of over 100km,80km above.
but see i think the fuel tank and object are much higher,and those clouds arnt natural.
either its a massive object with adjustable speed,
or theres some really funky clouds floating about
   
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reply posted on 3-11-2007 @ 12:35 AM by wierdalienshiznit
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Originally posted by verylowfrequency
I don't see any evidence that the crystal object goes behind the clouds. What I see is an object that is very similar in color to the clouds and a
white object on a white background appears to go behind the clouds because you no longer have a reference of blue ocean and thus the object looks as
though it going under or through the clouds, but that is just an optical illusion - in my opinion.
At this point I don't see enough evidence to believe otherwise.
As far as seeing the object twice. Another illusion is created because the camera is constantly zooming & panning therefore the camera brings the
object back into view, not the object flying back into view. Still there's the possibility that the object may change speeds while tumbling faster in
the one position and more drag in another just like air brakes on an aircraft wing can slow and aircraft when in the deployed position and speed the
aircraft when not.
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explain the shadow,filmed from 80km above.
also,that is cloud,anyone can see that.
people arnt blind.
29 secs-its a cloud
www.youtube.com...
by encounters i mean the two separate videos,which are two different incidents
heres the other one, www.liveleak.com...
you have a motive.
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reply posted on 3-11-2007 @ 01:05 AM by wierdalienshiznit
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if you think it doesnt pass below a cloud....
the object cast a shadow upon a cloud;
either that object is CLOSE enough to that cloud to casts a shadow,thus my assertions are true.
OR
that object is much HIGHER up and is MASSIVE enough to cast SHADOWS on the clouds with a MAX height of 20km,my assertions also true.
OR
the clouds are higher up than they can possibly be.
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