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Right on man, I didnt read your post until after i wrote my other post. I Totally agree with your logic. Vipassana, the name says it all. I also
meditate and practice basic Yoga, and Im fascinated with Kriya Yoga, which i soon plan to be initiated into. God is within. The bible is not the only
book out there. Ive read all the holy books i can get my hands on so far. The Bhagavad Gita is a book that holds a fond place in my heart. I could
read it a million times and still get something new out of it. If your dissilussioned with christianity then expand on your spiritual knowledge.
Meditation and self-discovery is the #1best way to accomplish this. Books and knowledge are good if you have good discernment, otherwise they can
confuse. Persevere, and never give up, and you will find God.
Peace.
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reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 08:23 PM by Vipassana
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Those are some great readings, they can offer powerful insight into your life. But as you said, there comes a point where you have to take all the external information whether it be from preachers or books, and take it inside and figure things out for yourself.
Meditation is nothing less than wonderful. If practiced with dedication, it can enrich your life and empower you like you would never believe. Since I began, the world has become a beautiful playground, with surprises and wonders around every corner. In fact it was so profound of a change that I can never go back, I will meditate until I die.
Those are some great readings, they can offer powerful insight into your life. But as you said, there comes a point where you have to take all the external information whether it be from preachers or books, and take it inside and figure things out for yourself.
Meditation is nothing less than wonderful. If practiced with dedication, it can enrich your life and empower you like you would never believe. Since I began, the world has become a beautiful playground, with surprises and wonders around every corner. In fact it was so profound of a change that I can never go back, I will meditate until I die.
reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 10:00 PM by eagle32
I get by the topic title all views are acceptable.
Therefor as an atheist/agnostic (I dont know which it is and I prefer not to be labeled).
I think you should watch Zeitgeist Part 1
Regardless of the controversial nature of the video Part 1 is worth watching because if its all accurate information then it gives reasonable doubt for religions and their stories.
If the embedded doesnt show:
Heres the direct link
video.google.co.uk...
[edit on 31/10/07 by eagle32]
Therefor as an atheist/agnostic (I dont know which it is and I prefer not to be labeled).
I think you should watch Zeitgeist Part 1
Regardless of the controversial nature of the video Part 1 is worth watching because if its all accurate information then it gives reasonable doubt for religions and their stories.
Google Video Link |
If the embedded doesnt show:
Heres the direct link
video.google.co.uk...
[edit on 31/10/07 by eagle32]
reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 10:07 PM by THEGodSend
How about 10+MB about the Bible and related matters:
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reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 11:11 PM by SevenThunders
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No one said the government of Israel would be righteous. Indeed the government is run by the same devils that run our government. Even Ezekiel hinted in his prophecy that Israel would be reborn in unbelief. Nevertheless it is impossible to deny the hand of God in the reestablishment of Israel. Some of the battles against overwhelming odds gave a miraculous victory to the Israeli army.
Thus I support the state of Israel without necessarily supporting their government. I know that the Jew is hostile to Christ, but that too is as the Bible said it would be. Nevertheless the Jews are blessed and we should have the attitude Paul the apostle had towards our Jewish brothers,
All christian anti-semites should probably read and reread Romans chapter 11 every day. Moreover they throw away one of the greatest christian apologetics of the modern era, the rebirth of Israel.
As for the pope, he is the head of pagan cult that is likely to metastasized in it's final form into the whore of Babylon. So I think the pope, along with 95% of the televangelists and 95% of the mega church leaders are in it for the love of money and the things of this world. This is not new either. They will receive their 'reward' in due time. If we just put our eyes on Jesus, we will see them simply as distractions and nothing more.
No one said the government of Israel would be righteous. Indeed the government is run by the same devils that run our government. Even Ezekiel hinted in his prophecy that Israel would be reborn in unbelief. Nevertheless it is impossible to deny the hand of God in the reestablishment of Israel. Some of the battles against overwhelming odds gave a miraculous victory to the Israeli army.
Thus I support the state of Israel without necessarily supporting their government. I know that the Jew is hostile to Christ, but that too is as the Bible said it would be. Nevertheless the Jews are blessed and we should have the attitude Paul the apostle had towards our Jewish brothers,
25For (AL)I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this (AM)mystery--so that you will not be (AN)wise in your own estimation--that a partial (AO)hardening has happened to Israel until the (AP)fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
"(AQ)THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27"(AR)THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
(AS)WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
28From the standpoint of the gospel they are (AT)enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for (AU)the sake of the fathers;
All christian anti-semites should probably read and reread Romans chapter 11 every day. Moreover they throw away one of the greatest christian apologetics of the modern era, the rebirth of Israel.
As for the pope, he is the head of pagan cult that is likely to metastasized in it's final form into the whore of Babylon. So I think the pope, along with 95% of the televangelists and 95% of the mega church leaders are in it for the love of money and the things of this world. This is not new either. They will receive their 'reward' in due time. If we just put our eyes on Jesus, we will see them simply as distractions and nothing more.
reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 11:16 PM by Norio Hayakawa
Originally posted by SevenThunders
We've got the anti-semites repeating proven Hitlerite doctrines,
Daniel predicted the exact configuration of world powers from his day until the present. Isaiah predicted the mission of Christ, and how he'd be received in Isaiah 53, and Ezekiel predicted the rebirth of Israel. All have come true. Even Revelations and the mark of the beast is coming true right before your eyes with the advent of bio-chip implants. Ignore the truth of the Bible at your peril.
Here is why I am not Anti-Semitic but Pro-Semitic. Here is why I am against Political Zionism. And here is why I am a Christian Zionist:
www.rense.com...
reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 11:29 PM by SevenThunders
reply to post by Norio Hayakawa
Ahh yes the Khazarian myth. This has been used as a reason to hate Israel for quite some time. So now the Khazars who converted to Judaism are evil? Which race is it that is preferred? At least your article recognizes that the rebirth of Israel is foreordained by God in fulfillment of prophecy. So we have some common ground.
The fact is that genetic tests have shown that most of the Ashkenazim are closely related to the Sephardic jews. There are a few khazars mixed in as well. What this analysis fails to realize is that a lot of Jews lived in khazar and were responsible in part for their conversion.
But getting back to your point. It so happens that the vast majority of the current population of Palestinians are in fact immigrants who came to Israel over the years for the economic opportunities from the surrounding Arab countries. So in fact they were not the original inhabitants. As for the original inhabitants of Samaria (the West bank), genetic testing suggests they are in fact Jews! They are the remnant that were not scattered by the Roman diaspora.
Maybe that explains why the Palestinians are in fact so hated by the surrounding Arab states (something that is not often discussed in these heated debates). Perhaps by the grace of God there will be a mass conversion of these poor souls who were forced to convert to the death cult of Islam many centuries ago.
Thought I'd provide a link with regards to Israelite genetics. It highlights some of my points.
www.khazaria.com...
[edit on 31-10-2007 by SevenThunders]
Ahh yes the Khazarian myth. This has been used as a reason to hate Israel for quite some time. So now the Khazars who converted to Judaism are evil? Which race is it that is preferred? At least your article recognizes that the rebirth of Israel is foreordained by God in fulfillment of prophecy. So we have some common ground.
The fact is that genetic tests have shown that most of the Ashkenazim are closely related to the Sephardic jews. There are a few khazars mixed in as well. What this analysis fails to realize is that a lot of Jews lived in khazar and were responsible in part for their conversion.
But getting back to your point. It so happens that the vast majority of the current population of Palestinians are in fact immigrants who came to Israel over the years for the economic opportunities from the surrounding Arab countries. So in fact they were not the original inhabitants. As for the original inhabitants of Samaria (the West bank), genetic testing suggests they are in fact Jews! They are the remnant that were not scattered by the Roman diaspora.
Maybe that explains why the Palestinians are in fact so hated by the surrounding Arab states (something that is not often discussed in these heated debates). Perhaps by the grace of God there will be a mass conversion of these poor souls who were forced to convert to the death cult of Islam many centuries ago.
Thought I'd provide a link with regards to Israelite genetics. It highlights some of my points.
www.khazaria.com...
[edit on 31-10-2007 by SevenThunders]
reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 11:41 PM by SevenThunders
reply to post by THEGodSend
Here is a simple definition of zionism from wikipedia.
So it's demonic to want a homeland for Jews in Israel? I'd say it's exactly what the Bible predicts for the Jewish people, a homeland in Israel. I could probably cite a hundred scriptures to support it.
I don't know where you get your confusion, but I suspect it comes from the forged anti-semitic Hitlerite doctrines such as the protocols of zion, a known forgery I might add.
Here is a simple definition of zionism from wikipedia.
Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish People in the Land of Israel.
So it's demonic to want a homeland for Jews in Israel? I'd say it's exactly what the Bible predicts for the Jewish people, a homeland in Israel. I could probably cite a hundred scriptures to support it.
I don't know where you get your confusion, but I suspect it comes from the forged anti-semitic Hitlerite doctrines such as the protocols of zion, a known forgery I might add.
reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 12:11 AM by captainplanet
reply to post by SevenThunders
What about your advice? Listen to nothing but my book, wait for Christ and he‘ll do everything someday. Sounds like a conspiracy to make you complacent to me, no offence.
Open the mind kimosabe. You wouldn’t want someone pointing fingers at bad Christians. Every religion is imperfect for a world view because a world view is still new, and even absent in the minds of many. Religions are cultural entities. They are bound to fail in the future, it just so happens the bible seems to know a lot about all that. It was designed to be a religion fit for all and there is an awful lot of good metaphoric logic mixed in with historical events and religious philosophy. It is a tool to unite people under the philosophy. Maybe they did know what’s going to happen? Who knows what’s real, it was written by and followed by much of the same crew that wrote history.
Donation anyone? Did you know nonprofit organizations don’t have to disclose political endorsements?
Nostradamus. That’s one person, not even a collection of persons.
Prophesies tend to be very vague for a reason. These are prophesies that have been rewritten/rearranged according to current understanding more than once. It’s not exactly a rough draft, who has the right to chose what words to put in and what words to leave out? I’m not saying there isn’t knowledge in there, I’m just saying you shouldn’t limit your mind because some 2000year old empire tells you too. We did away with empires some time ago. History has a tendency to repeat itself and many a prophet have benefited from this. Plus men write history however they want it to be heard. Many religions are really old history that has been through some very manipulative times. Who knows what’s what. I wouldn’t cling to one book, it is limiting.
“Fear is the mind killer” and a very good one at that. I don’t completely deny God, just religion. Blind faith in men can be very dangerous.
Boy what a load of toxic advice is being spewed here.
What about your advice? Listen to nothing but my book, wait for Christ and he‘ll do everything someday. Sounds like a conspiracy to make you complacent to me, no offence.
We've got the anti-semites repeating proven Hitlerite doctrines, discredited gurus who were famous for sleeping with their disciples and
Open the mind kimosabe. You wouldn’t want someone pointing fingers at bad Christians. Every religion is imperfect for a world view because a world view is still new, and even absent in the minds of many. Religions are cultural entities. They are bound to fail in the future, it just so happens the bible seems to know a lot about all that. It was designed to be a religion fit for all and there is an awful lot of good metaphoric logic mixed in with historical events and religious philosophy. It is a tool to unite people under the philosophy. Maybe they did know what’s going to happen? Who knows what’s real, it was written by and followed by much of the same crew that wrote history.
atheist devils trying to make a buck on 'disproving' Jesus.
Donation anyone? Did you know nonprofit organizations don’t have to disclose political endorsements?
If anything you need to look at the prophetic track record of the Bible. It is unmatched.
Nostradamus. That’s one person, not even a collection of persons.
Prophesies tend to be very vague for a reason. These are prophesies that have been rewritten/rearranged according to current understanding more than once. It’s not exactly a rough draft, who has the right to chose what words to put in and what words to leave out? I’m not saying there isn’t knowledge in there, I’m just saying you shouldn’t limit your mind because some 2000year old empire tells you too. We did away with empires some time ago. History has a tendency to repeat itself and many a prophet have benefited from this. Plus men write history however they want it to be heard. Many religions are really old history that has been through some very manipulative times. Who knows what’s what. I wouldn’t cling to one book, it is limiting.
Ignore the truth of the Bible at your peril.
“Fear is the mind killer” and a very good one at that. I don’t completely deny God, just religion. Blind faith in men can be very dangerous.
reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 12:19 AM by SevenThunders
reply to post by captainplanet
Well it comes back to the original topic of the thread then doesn't it. Either it's true or it isn't either the Bible is the revealed word of God or it's just a bunch of fairy tales. If you believe that the Bible is the word of God, then everything I've said follows naturally from that belief.
If you think the Bible is just a bunch of fairy tales, then I'd recommend scientific atheism. Because you will surely find a lot of contradictory fairy tales in the other world religions. I suppose then you could worship the DNA, since it's a miracle that there exists an almost computer like complex code that dictates the form of every living being on this planet.
However as I've said, I think the preponderance of evidence supports the Bible as being God's revealed Word. In the final analysis you will have to decide for yourself. It's just the fate of your eternal soul that hangs on your decision. No cause for alarm.......
Well it comes back to the original topic of the thread then doesn't it. Either it's true or it isn't either the Bible is the revealed word of God or it's just a bunch of fairy tales. If you believe that the Bible is the word of God, then everything I've said follows naturally from that belief.
If you think the Bible is just a bunch of fairy tales, then I'd recommend scientific atheism. Because you will surely find a lot of contradictory fairy tales in the other world religions. I suppose then you could worship the DNA, since it's a miracle that there exists an almost computer like complex code that dictates the form of every living being on this planet.
However as I've said, I think the preponderance of evidence supports the Bible as being God's revealed Word. In the final analysis you will have to decide for yourself. It's just the fate of your eternal soul that hangs on your decision. No cause for alarm.......
reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 12:21 AM by Norio Hayakawa
Originally posted by SevenThunders
reply to post by Norio Hayakawa
So now the Khazars who converted to Judaism are evil?
www.khazaria.com...
[edit on 31-10-2007 by SevenThunders]
I never implied that Ashkenazim are evil. I was simply saying that as a pro-Semitic person (but not an anti-Ashkenazim person), Semitic Jews are the ones who should righly claim Israel as their homeland. If one looks at the State of Israel, Semitic Jews do not have control of their land. The Lord Jesus Christ was a Semitic Jew, not an Ashkenazi.
However, as a Christian, my belief is that ultimately, both the Semitic Jews as well as Ashkenazim Jews ("Khazarian" Jews), as well as the whole world, will recognize the Lordship of Jesus Christ from Israel upon the Millenial Reign.
reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 12:44 AM by THEGodSend
CaptainPlanet:
You are barking up the wrong tree with your 'rational' approach to the Bible. Go to my website (novalight.org...) and click on the link: 'What is this website about'. Near the beginning of that page, you will SEE! a quotation from T. Austin-Sparks. It explains how reason MUST follow spiritual awakening (a gift from God!) before God's Word can be understood. Theologians with a string of degrees are just dabbling in the dark without God's gift of spiritual awakening.
You are barking up the wrong tree with your 'rational' approach to the Bible. Go to my website (novalight.org...) and click on the link: 'What is this website about'. Near the beginning of that page, you will SEE! a quotation from T. Austin-Sparks. It explains how reason MUST follow spiritual awakening (a gift from God!) before God's Word can be understood. Theologians with a string of degrees are just dabbling in the dark without God's gift of spiritual awakening.
reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 01:29 AM by captainplanet
reply to post by THEGodSend
I agree, but who says you need the bible for a spiritual awakening? The pope? Do you know why you need spiritual understanding? Because it is purely a spiritual message, it requires no written words. If you use reason without a spiritual awakening you will end up like Hitler. You need to respect and acknowledge everyone as your brother. Religion is from a world divided by much more space and time than it is today.
I agree, but who says you need the bible for a spiritual awakening? The pope? Do you know why you need spiritual understanding? Because it is purely a spiritual message, it requires no written words. If you use reason without a spiritual awakening you will end up like Hitler. You need to respect and acknowledge everyone as your brother. Religion is from a world divided by much more space and time than it is today.
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