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Numbers are used repeatedly throughout the Bible and each has a spiritual meaning. For instance, 40 is the number for testing, 10 is the number for law and human government, 12 is the number for God's people, 6 is the number of man, 7 is the number for divine perfection, etc.
I have a hard time believing the dozens of authors over the centuries knew this system (and some even writing books at the same time unaware of each other) all had knowledge of what others were doing. Once you examine the text, 10 is always shown in relation to government, 7 is always shown in relation to divine perfection, 12 is always shown in relation to God's people, etc. Just one of the many pieces of evidence I took into consideration before becoming a Christian.
The foreshadowing of the laws, rituals, and feasts in relation to Jesus also blows my mind.
Remember, no one has ever seen God in His divine form. So, this is only speculation on my part. I do not believe God has genitalia as I do not believe He is either gender physically. He has a mouth because He talks and there is food in Heaven (for enjoyment- not survival), arms to hold us in Heaven, eyes to see, etc. He probably doesn't have a digestive system, though. Maybe not even internal organs. Again, just speculation on my part. It's not like God is a big blob or light beam just because He doesn't need anything else.
But the "in His image" is actually a rather unique description, though, compared to so many other religions that saw their gods in a variety of shapes including animals, animal-human hybrids, and even abstract shapes or like orbs. God says He looks like us.
No. 100% Immortal and infinite. No beginning, no end. He is not governed by the rules of this material realm where everything has beginnings and ends. He is in the spiritual realm. This dimension is not His primary dimension.
has traced all six billion people back to two through mitochondrial DNA and chromosomes in what their science has deemed "Mitochondrial Eve" and "Y Chromosomal Adam." Every human alive today (all six billion of us) has these folks as a common ancestor according to evolution. Although they say it is not evidence of a bottleneck and that they lived at separate times, I always found that tidbit interesting.
Nope. In my 20's and kicked out of two colleges for bad behavior. lol But even if I was 80 and had three PhD's, please don't ever be scared to ask me questions.
The Hebrew Law had not yet been created so incest was not forbidden.
Also, the effects of sin and the fall had not taken a complete toll on our bodies (things did not start to decline heavily until after the flood) so it was not taboo nor would it have caused birth defects.
But essentially, Noah's grandchildren would have been mating with their cousins and not necessarily siblings. Sounds sick to us but again, no law and no harmful genetic effects at this point. It wasn't a social or legal taboo.
Although it is vague, the Bible does reference some genetic mutations as well as genetic degeneration.
It would be like asking why do some people have big noses, thin hips, and wavy hair.
Then who made the aliens? All it does is shift the problem of the existence of one set of finite beings onto other finite beings. How did the original finite being come to be? And if you want to know "then who made God," just check out the link I put earlier in this comment.
No! LOL! It's a common misconception. The pope is head of the Catholic church- not Christianity. There are over one billion Christians not associated with Catholicism, the pope, or Vatican. Including myself. We pay them hardly any attention.
Because even though we started out as one true religion, paganism started to seep back in after the flood. Abraham and his clan were some of the last righteous people still adhering to God. There's some other reasons, too, but my memory is going since it is so late at night.
If my memory serves me correctly, Palestine was not a sovereign state like America, England, etc. It was international territory under the control of Turkey and Britian. Not an independant country known as Palestine. The Jews, through the Balfour Declaration, were granted the land in 1917 after a Jewish Scientist sold some of his research to the British government. Instead of asking for monetary compensation, he asked if the international territory could be returned to the Jews after it was taken by the Romans previously.
I'm very pro-Jewish so you can say I'm biased but if Israel needs to give the land back after obtaining it through treaties, land purchases, international agreements, and battles, then we as Americans need to pack up our bags and head back to Europe, Asia, and Africa and give the land back to the Natives because we, too, obtained America through treaties, land purchases, international agreements, and battles.
But my favorite: Israel also had to be declared a nation in one day (it was) and the return of Israel as a sovereign nation was prophesied in the Bible to the very year, 1948. This happened and is also something they could not control.
Semites are the descendants of Noah's son, Shem. Shemites -> Semites.
Wait. I thought we we’re ALL descendants of Noah?
Like I implied before, I appreciate your posts. They seem to be intelligent and are easily readable, but again, when logic is applied and objective thinking is brought to the table, the Bibles flaws in its belief system glow. There are many unanswered questions out there, and it is ok not to know the answer to them. You don’t have to look up to see what the Bible or any other book tells you. If the universe is governed by logic, then not only Christianity, but religion as a whole doesn’t fit in. There is a link to a thread here that kind of gets at what I personally believe to be true. I don’t know how to post it or I would. If I find the Url or figure out how to post a link then I will post it here.
Oh..that movie is called ring of power...i think it is even on ats in the user video section..
[edit on 9/16/07 by abelievingskeptic]
Originally posted by abelievingskeptic
But to say they all have “spiritual significance” seems a bit of a stretch to me. Also, if these coincidences were of some significance I would think they would be preached more during church and known more widely.
If you are talking about the Jews prophesizing the Messiah....aren’t they still waiting?
Like you said “No one has ever seen God.” So to say he LITERALLY has arms and legs and a mouth comes off as a little naïve. It seems because you do not know what ‘God’ looks like you are quick to put an image on ‘him’ and personify the whole idea.
now here’s something we agree on...except for the ‘he’ part...lol
can you source this info? I did a quick wikipedia search and couldn’t find it.
This is completely irrelevant. Law or no law, incest is one of those things that seems to be wrong at a deeper level, at least in my opinion.
Only speculation. This is where your faith takes over your rational. I would recommend taking a second look at this part of your beliefs, and maybe looking at it a little more objectively.
And he is looked at as the head of ALL of Christianity. Why? Because there are more Catholics than any other form of Christianity. And... it was the first form of Christianity. I believe Paul was the first Pope in like 40 ad?..or something?
Can you give one shred of archaeological evidence that Abraham existed the way the Bible says he did? Seems kind of odd there is none for someone so important in the Judaic/Christian religion.
There is an interesting movie you should watch...
Wow. And this makes a difference how? In my opinion it is ludicrous to insinuate it is completely ok to just dismantle a society where millions of people and many generations have lived and grown together and just hand it over to someone else.
First. The Indians were systematically slaughtered. And I disagree with the way the whole conquering of America happened...
Wait. I thought we we’re ALL descendants of Noah?
What movie? And please don't tell me Zeitgeist (just assuming). It has been thoroughly debunked. lol
Originally posted by abelievingskeptic
Anyway, it is like over 5 hours long... And they have a very interesting view of Jesus that probably can be debunked easily, but I have not had the time to really look into it. So, I will leave that to you!..lol
Instead, modern sermons simply consist of telling people what to believe and not why to believe.
Yes they are. But see: The Messianic Prophecies. The main reason the Jews of Jesus' day rejected Jesus is because the Messianic prophecies told of two comings: One a suffering servant and another one of glory and authority. They were expecting a glorious king the first time around who would overthrow the Romans- not be killed by the Romans. Christians believe the first time it was supposed to be as a suffering servant (this happened) and at the Second Coming is when He will fulfill the "king" prophecies. We get this because this is how it is explained in the New Testament. But it is prophesied that the Jews will accept Jesus as the true Messiah so God has not "given up on them" like many Christians like to claim.
We can logically deduce this, though, with the Heavenly descriptions of Jesus after His resurrection and ascension. Not to mention His transfiguration when He shows the apostles His "glorious form.
So many things of this nature are a cultural thing (and yes, I know ages of adulthood have little in common with incest). I'm trying to make the point that cultures differ. Again, the genetic defects had still not surfaced from this and incest wasn't taboo or vomit-inducing like it is for us today.
It has proven this "dimension" is in a constant state of entropy
Contrary to what Catholics like to claim, they were not the "first" but have declared themselves to be "the first" and claim Peter (not Paul) as the first "pope"
Well, some claim the bones in Israel are his, as well as the other patriarchs and matriarchs. I remain skeptical but there is actually a "tomb of the patriarchs" in Jerusalem and it is a major tourist attraction. But I remain skeptical until they allow us to examine the bodies with science to examine their DNA and carbon dating. See: The cave of the Patriarchs in Israel.
Originally posted by XcLuciFer
S.O.S I'am a Human being, my home is called Earth its located in a small solar system on the out skirts of the Milky Way Galaxy. My family, the Human species, is dieing from a disease that at the moment seems incurable. The main symptom's of this powerful disease, FEAR, the rejection of unconditional love, disconnect from one another, disconnect from the Earth, and the lack of respect for the Universe. We are divided and at war with one another, each believeing they are right and the other is wrong, refusing to accept that, we may all be wrong. This disease that plagues my family is so strong, that we have forgotten that we are in fact, family. Being at war with one another should be proof alone that something is seriously wrong, but the disease has clouded our judgement to the point where we simply can not see. We claim to be everything but our selves, and refuse to except the fact that we are sick. When treatment is offered we decline it, and kill that which has tryed to administer the cure. Even though our world is dieing, we refuse to change. If any one can here my call please help!!!!!
we refuse to change
Originally posted by abelievingskeptic
If this were true it seems a reasonable question would be to ask...what color is God? Seems like an odd question to ask of an omnipotent being.... don’t ya think?
See, this is where creationists and Christianity/ Judaism will always loose the people with an objective mind and a rational mentality.
Like you said “No one has ever seen God.” So to say he LITERALLY has arms and legs and a mouth comes off as a little naive.
It seems because you do not know what ‘God’ looks like you are quick to put an image on ‘him’ and personify the whole idea.
Maybe this is because there is an element of fear. Fear of the unknown? This is a reasonable perception, but in my opinion a naive one.
what color is God? Seems like an odd question to ask of an omnipotent being.... don’t ya think?
And this is the exact reason why A LOT of people do not like religion, including myself.
When I was Christian I never even heard of what you said here...
And why exactly would Christianity contradict Judaism?
But, you are taking a contradiction and turning it to support your beliefs. Remember. God is all knowing (in your belief system) and all wise. So why would he up and change his mind about incest?
I don't understand your reference to "this dimension."
there is no way ALL the changes of the human form, culture and (not to mention) religious beliefs and all the migrating that would have had to take place could have taken place in 6 thousand years.
was Peter one of the twelve apostles or not? If he was that means he walked with Jesus at the time when Christianity was at its grass roots, therefore, making it the first "official" Christian Church when Constantine made it so.
Oh and getting back to the whole thing about the world being populated by 8 people...there is A MASSIVE amount of evidence that there were Homo Sapiens far far before 6 thousand years ago when the great flood took place.