Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by Bedlam
I've read a ton of his stuff and I feel Tom has made significant contributions to the science of scalar/radiant/vacuum energy. He also seems to have
detailed knowledge about the soviet involvement with such technology and the status of the 'energy weapon arms race' between Russia / NWO /
I feel what he's shared has been invaluable to my understanding of scalar energy and the world. It sounds like you know more than I do, though, so
correct me if I'm wrong by believing he speaks the truth on these matters.
Well, my personal take on the thing is along these lines: there is no such thing as "scalar EM". "Radiant energy" is a Bedini con job, primarily.
Tom is a closet aether believer, and a lot of what he's trying to feed you is an aether-worldview primer all sugar coated for your consumption. If
you pin him down on it, he'll eventually admit that he believes all EM is longitudinal, which you can then pound him on it by asking how in the hell
you polarize EM, if that's true. He will then run off chanting about cur dogs.
Zero point energy, in its physics definition, DOES exist. So does the energy surrounding conductors and the associated Poynting vector, again by the
The issue comes with extracting the energy from the vacuum. Tom bridles at the use of the volume integral that renormalizes this energy out of
existence, with the exception of what the Poynting vector allows to flow. But the problem is, it really doesn't matter what the static energy value
is in a continuum. That sounds odd, I know. But it's true anyway. You extract energy from an energetic system by having gradients. In a uniformly
energetic field, there is no energy flow, and it's not extractable at all. If you try to operate a Carnot engine in a uniform 500 degree C furnace,
nothing happens, because the only energy you can extract is by rejecting heat energy to a cold sink. In a uniformly near-infinite energy field that's
uniform, it doesn't matter that the energy is near infinite, because there's no gradient, no cold dump, no place for the energy to flow to. That's
why that integral exists that Tom hates. It removes useless constant background energetic states.
In the case of a Casimir device, you're exploiting microfluctuations in that vacuum's energy state. These can be quite small, so that you really
don't have a lot of energy differential to exploit. But it allows you to actually prove that the thing exists.
BTW, at this point the other person generally runs off and posts a link to wikipedia's article on scalar fields. That's different from scalar EM. A
scalar field is one where the data has no vector. For example, a temperature map of the US depicts a scalar field - there is no vector associated with
temperature. However, there always is with EM. That dipole is instant vector.
I also like that thing he always hums in about when you create a dipole, it spews infinite amounts of energy, bla bla bla. I think he's got an F-key
programmed to paste that text.
Here's a reformulated way to look at it, I'll try to do it with a minimum of physics.
Envision a rock at the bottom of a cliff. It has a certain amount of gravitic potential energy, in relation to the Earth at ground level there.
Relative to other items at the bottom of the cliff, it's got none - they're at the same level. As I carry the rock up the cliff, it's steadily
building up potential energy relative to the ground level below. But it's also building up gravitic potential energy with respect to all the items at
the bottom of the cliff too! My God! If there are a 99 rocks at the bottom of the cliff, then I've invested potential energy (mgh) by carrying the
rock up the cliff, and gotten back 100 times that energy in apparent potential energy, because I not only have the gpe with respect to the ground
level, I also have it with respect to 99 rocks at the bottom of the cliff! I've got a 100x overunity cliff!
That's what he's saying with his dipole creation/spewing energy forever argument. The problem is, you can only push the rock off the cliff once, and
you'll get back what you put in to carry it up there, which is mgh. I don't get to push it off the cliff 100 times, recovering apparent potential
energy with respect to each object at ground level.
Apparently he was denied access to the Canadian Stock Exchange because his device was "dangeorus to the political system". Hey, at least
they were honest...
I believe that Chukanov claimed that they said they denied him access because his political beliefs stated on his website were "dangerous to the
political system", not the device, but at any rate, have you actually seen the original document from the CSE, as posted by them? The closest I've
heard to the horse's mouth was what Chukanov himself said. If they'd said "No, you are a charlatan" he could have just made up the statement about
politics and posted it on his website. Until I see it denied or admitted to by someone at CSE I have to say it's a sort of questionable-to-fakey sort
of statement, as there's no way to verify it at all.
It's a twist on the "dog ate my homework" save the free energy guys often do when it gets down to having to ante up.
edit PS: You DO know that Tom bought his PhD for $300 from a diploma mill, right?
[edit on 10-6-2010 by Bedlam]