Originally posted by GeeGee
If James Randi was really interested in finding out if remote viewing, astral projection, psychokinesis, or anything else is real, he could learn to do them himself and make his own judgment. Now really, why would he ask someone else to prove to him these things if he could learn to do it himself?

There lies your problem. Nobody can do the above.

I've astrally projected...err been out of body... I dunno if there's a difference... but I cannot say for sure the method. Only that it involves CONSCIOUSLY changing the vibrations of your mind. You can feel the vibrations literally, and most people prolly never get beyond that because it's a very strange feeling. Science can't prove what it cannot yet measure, by the way. Also, science can pretty much debunk anything because the observer effects the experiment, and if they seek to debunk it, they will. If none of us knew about gravity as a scientific fact, and it was just this conspiracy theory or paranormal fringe thing, a scientists could come along and debunk it, even if it exists. I don't trust science because of the attitude that most scientists have, and that's that we pretty much know everything, and any huge unknown would make the scientific community as a whole not seem authorative... and another thing that concerns me about science is who is funding scientists? Are they using the most reliable equipment? Are they being kept up to date on all the latest scientific breakthroughs, especially the ones they don't print in the science journals? I just wonder how much science is hindered by facts such as employment, funding, ridiculw, bias, education. If you were never taught the physics of how a steel roller coaster works, would you be able to build one that works? No. Nobody can know something is real or fake just by doing some tests on a select few subjects.
Don't tout science as infallible. Science is not God, and it doesn't decide what our reality is. Most of the time, the way it is today, science hinders it... especially when the facts are skewed. How can a genius who's broke go up against a team of government scientists who have millions of dollars in funding? In some instances, he can't because the available equipment isn't sufficient.
Denying ignorance means questioning our faiths in belief systems, even science.

Originally posted by indierockalien
Don't tout science as infallible. Science is not God, and it doesn't decide what our reality is. Most of the time, the way it is today, science hinders it... especially when the facts are skewed. How can a genius who's broke go up against a team of government scientists who have millions of dollars in funding? In some instances, he can't because the available equipment isn't sufficient.
Denying ignorance means questioning our faiths in belief systems, even science.

So you are saying god decides your reality? What facts are skewed? I think you need to realize the ONLY thing you can count on is yourself. Not your mommy, daddy, brother, cousin, wife, friend, dog, cat, rat, rabbit, favorite tv show, blah blah, need I go on?

You my friend are what us heathens call, conflicted.

What genius is that BTW? Love to "give him a learning".

PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE.

"R" you are OK, I don't care what your mom says; hahahaha.

Indierockalien..... you are a lucky person as far as I'm concerned. I don't have any psychic abilities, just knowledge. I've always wanted to astrally project; to have an out of body experience.

I even bought a book years ago from an author in Perth Australia that supposedly told how the CIA used their scientific method to do out of body experiences to spy on people.

The only problem about the book was that it didn't tell the correct amount of time needed to do it. You really need at least a half an hour or more the first time in order to do the out of body experience.

After all of us followed the rules in the book the first time, we decided we weren't going to take all of that time to do the OBE. So.. I've never gotten to experience it. So... you are one lucky person.

You must have done the astral projection all right, because the vibration part is one of the parts described in the book. I still have that book downstairs in my library somewhere. In the book, you follow all the steps, which are easy, and then supposedly after a half hour or more (which the author forgot to write into the book) then you basically are vibrated out of your body by the two people working on your body, and you are supposedly able to fly right throught the ceiling and roof of your abode, and tell everyone exactly what is outside your abode while you are lying on your back in the room.

You supposedly can see everything going on outside your abode, and can even tell the colors of everything everyone is wearing outside. Then supposedly, after many times of doing this you are prepared for flying off into the distance in your second almost invisible body.

You are also quite right about alot of stuff that goes on in science.

Well for one thing, Tesla had a lot of really outstanding theories, a lot of which he proved, or claimed to prove...we may never know because the powers that be destroyed his lab and confiscated all of his papers and equipment, the ones that had never been destroyed... and my friend, many, many geniuses go unnoticed.
And no I'm not stating that I believe in some guy named God... but I believe in a creative force. As above, so below, as they they say... we create because we've been created. But anyway, this isn't a debate about God. This is a debate about science proving psychic abilities, which it will not do at this juncture, at least publicly. Seeing as how this is so much of an unknown, scientific verification publicly of abilities such as this would alert people to the fact that there is much out there that is unknown to the authorities, so their power of influence will get weaker as a result... and another thing it will do is give more people more confidence and power themselves, to realize they can affect the space around them by just THINKING!!! The implications this has on modern society is tremendous, and the powers that be do not want us being powerful, because they are the ones in control, and they wanna stay that way
Anyone who tries proving psychic abilities, tries inventing free energy sources, etc., and who is about to succeed usually gets sabotaged. Anyone who claims these abilities in public is usually just an attention seeker. Most people who possess abilities don't ever wanna show it because of the fear and resentment people will have towards them. The point is, I don't wanna have to prove myself to others. I'm sure most people with these abilities feel the same way. I think anything is possible, really... and that's the best frame of mind to have.