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Make a Hydrogen Booster For Your Car; Runs on Water


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Topic started on 30-10-2007 @ 05:55 PM by Luther777


This is some interesting information on building a hydrogen booster for your car with instructions:
waterpoweredcar.com...

What do you guys think? The whole website is about water powered cars.



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reply posted on 30-10-2007 @ 08:12 PM by Luther777


Here's a video explaining a bit about hydrogen boosters:


Google Video Link


This is a demonstration of a hydrogen booster getting a 30% increase in mileage:


Google Video Link



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reply posted on 30-10-2007 @ 08:42 PM by Furnace_Man


Thanks for posting this thread, but I want to run a car on 100% water. Why only go halfway? I've been working on this one for a few years now. I'm sure it's possible, just haven't done it yet.



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reply posted on 30-10-2007 @ 08:53 PM by Luther777


Well, this one runs on 80% water :


YouTube Link


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reply posted on 30-10-2007 @ 10:54 PM by Luther777


Here's a video of Stan Meyer's dune buggy that ran 100% off of water:


YouTube Link



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reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 05:01 AM by NRen2k5


Hoaxes, all of them.

Water is not a fuel. No matter how you break water down into 2×H2 and O2, in an ideal system, you’ll only get as much energy out of burning it as you put in.

This is in an ideal system. In reality, a lot of energy is wasted trying to break water down into 2×H2 and O2 and then a little bit more is wasted in the combustion not being perfect.

Klein and Meyer and their kind are con artists. Their vehicles run off of some other kind of energy, whether it be a flywheel, a hydrogen tank or plain old gasoline.

In fact, similar to Newman refusing to run his free energy machines on their own output, I’m pretty certain I’ve heard Klein claim that his car is gasoline powered and hydrogen assisted, and that even though he claims to be able to run it on water alone, he chooses to use some gasoline.



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reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 06:40 AM by GlahES


id just like to make the comment that cars dont fly.. however irrelevent you may think it is.. someone might understnad..

Speak of the devil!
Hello NRen! ^_-

-G



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reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 07:58 AM by NRen2k5


Originally posted by GlahES
id just like to make the comment that cars dont fly.. however irrelevent you may think it is.. someone might understnad..

Speak of the devil!
Hello NRen! ^_-

-G

A car can fly just fine if you take a plane and call it a car.

Can you call me a taxi?



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reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 09:28 AM by an0maly33


i would also like to mention that burning hydrogen creates water. you would need to make sure you get stainless steel parts so they don't rust/corrode.



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reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 07:00 PM by Furnace_Man


Water can actually be taken apart with very little energy. It all has to do with resonating at the right frequency.
Hit it with a 600 hz audio tone on a roughly 15 khz carrier wave and you pretty much have it licked. All except for the fine tuning. This all will happen with just milliamps of current. Waaaaay less than you get out of it in the end. It's very very efficient, I'm just too poor to make it happen very fast. But I'm working on it. Which is more than most people can say.



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reply posted on 31-10-2007 @ 10:29 PM by Luther777


Hydrogen boosters aren't hoaxes (I don't know about Meyer's design though). The water is converted into hydrogen, so you're not actually using the water itself, plus it can't work without a bit of gasoline.



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reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 05:22 AM by NRen2k5


Originally posted by Furnace_Man:
Water can actually be taken apart with very little energy. It all has to do with resonating at the right frequency.
Hit it with a 600 hz audio tone on a roughly 15 khz carrier wave and you pretty much have it licked. All except for the fine tuning. This all will happen with just milliamps of current. Waaaaay less than you get out of it in the end. It's very very efficient, I'm just too poor to make it happen very fast. But I'm working on it. Which is more than most people can say.



600Hz sound on a 15kHz carrier? Mmmkaaaaaaay. Would you like to show me the theory behind that?


Originally posted by Luther777:
Hydrogen boosters aren't hoaxes (I don't know about Meyer's design though). The water is converted into hydrogen, so you're not actually using the water itself, plus it can't work without a bit of gasoline.

Hydrogen boosters are hoaxes. In an ideal system, it takes exactly the same amount of energy to separate the hydrogen from water as you get by burning the hydrogen. In the real world, it takes a lot more. This results in a net loss of energy rather than a net gain.

So, can somebody build a rig to make hydrogen from water in a car? Yes.
Does this boost the performance? No. It hinders it.

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reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 01:26 PM by Luther777


Here's a design of a hydro booster to look over:
waterpoweredcar.com...
(whether it works or not)



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reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 01:32 PM by earthman4


Hoax, ruins the engine. I had one on my camper in the 70's. Burn me some water, yeah right.



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reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 01:38 PM by Luther777


Some designs are different than others. I will agree that probably 95% of hydro boosters are hoaxes, but I've heard of some that actually were efficient (How, I don't know).



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reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 03:16 PM by gotrox


Originally posted by Furnace_Man
Water can actually be taken apart with very little energy. It all has to do with resonating at the right frequency.
Hit it with a 600 hz audio tone on a roughly 15 khz carrier wave and you pretty much have it licked. All except for the fine tuning. This all will happen with just milliamps of current. Waaaaay less than you get out of it in the end. It's very very efficient, I'm just too poor to make it happen very fast. But I'm working on it. Which is more than most people can say.


600 hz audio on a 15khz radio wave @ milliamps???
I want the schematics.
Square wave, triangular or sine on the audio---same on the carrier?
Distilled or NaCl H2O? Antenna enclosed or immersed? And @ what wavelength fraction.
You could probably save some time working the harmonics, 600 hz and 15 khz are easy---just get a calculator. Easier to do just 1 freq. than it is to figure out the correct 2 that make the harmonic, and purer results, since you already seem to have the starting point. Unless of course, your frequencies are a bit off, and are not building a harmonic wave, but a scalar one, or the effective harmonic is above a transmittable frequency.



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reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 03:59 PM by NRen2k5


Originally posted by Luther777
Here's a design of a hydro booster to look over:
waterpoweredcar.com...
(whether it works or not)

Fues? Catallac converter? Catalysist? Clean hydrogen vs dirty hydrogen? What, was that diagram made by a twelve year old?

Thanks, that was good for a chuckle.

It’s an electrolysis rig, as simple as they get. It won’t give you a boost. It’ll be a drag.


Some designs are different than others. I will agree that probably 95% of hydro boosters are hoaxes, but I've heard of some that actually were efficient (How, I don't know).

Only 95%? You’re much too trusting.


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I think he was talking out of his ass. I can say “ass” here, right?



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reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 04:42 PM by Luther777


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Fine, maybe 98.5% , but I do have yet to see if one works for myself.



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reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 05:06 PM by NRen2k5


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Then you might want to make that 100%.

The only way you can get a boost with hydrogen is if you collect/create it offboard. Generating it from water onboard will always consume more power than it generates. In an ideal world, it will consume exactly as much as it generates, still making it pointless.

And electrolysis isn’t just less than 100% efficient. It’s much less.

Let’s say it’s 20% efficient. Now for the sake of simplicity, let’s say that burning the resulting hydrogen is 100% efficient. This means that for every 5 units of energy you spend electrolyzing the water, you only get 1 back from burning the hydrogen. It’s a losing proposition.

If you still don’t quite get it, let me propose a financial arrangement with you.

For every $5 you pay me, I’ll give $1 back. We can keep doing this until either you’re broke or you get the point. Whichever happens first.

I apologize if I seem a bit aggressive. I’m about to call it a night, so I’m hitting you a bit harder with the math for good measure.

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reply posted on 1-11-2007 @ 05:40 PM by Furnace_Man


This link is only one of many carrying Puharichs work. I've changed a lot in my design, but basically it's what you see here.
www.angelfire.com...

You can laugh all you want, but unless you actually build it I'm just laughing at your ignorance.
I've built it, it does work, I'm just waiting to be able to afford to put it in my car.

Then I'm going to give it all away for free to anyone who wants it.



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