reply to post by Becker44

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On edge? No, just disgusted. I reject this poll, not because of my personal views, but because I know, first hand, how easily poll questions and results can be manipulated. I reject this poll because in, my own life (including people with a wide-range of ideologies, socio-economic back-grounds and education levels) I don't know anyone who agrees with the results of the polling. Lest you question my social circle as being vastly left-wing or "raging anti-war" as you put it, I voted for Bush twice, regrettably, as did most of my family and friends.

I assure you, you will encounter ATS members far more on the "edge" than me. And, of course, as this is America and ATS, you are welcome to your own opinion, as am I.

I sort of do think we will ultimately need to bomb Iran. We are short on troops, and can't invade so if it's war I would rather see Iran get taken down then bringing the war to American fronts.

reply to post by kosmicjack

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Well written Jack.

Look I was in the Bush camp as well. I think he is doing a terrible job! I never liked the alternative in the last vote. John Kerry, you gotta be kidding me!

Our circles differ perhaps. I know many people who would have voted in the affirmative on that particular poll.

I see it like this, We can not let the Iranian regime (as it is constructed today) obtain a nuclear device. I know the left wants dialogue with this cat but my gut tells me he's not listening too well.

If the poll question inserted a line perhaps stating: "As a last resort" would you be in favor of bombing Iran perhaps that would have sat better with you and others. If the question was posed in the above manner and I were convinced they were achieving their nuclear goals I would vote to Bomb em'!

Becker

"Domesticated primates [humans], like wild primates, want chiefly an alpha male to lead them. The more closely this figure approximates the primordial archetype—i.e. the meanest-tempered baboon in the herd - the more fervently the other baboons will follow him. This explains the otherwise inexplicable elevation to power of distinctly subhuman types, e.g., Mussolini, Nixon, Hitler, Stalin. The primate logic is “If he's that baaaaaaaad”—in the sense in which baaaaaaaad is used in Black ghetto argot - "he'll scare hell out of competing primate bands."

Robert Anton Wilson, The Illuminati Papers, page 134

World War 3 has already started. To deny this is to only fool oneself.

reply to post by theutahbigfoothunter

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I agree... I think that Universities such as Columbia should have their charter yanked for even considering giving someone like Ahmadinijinut a platform to speak on. Then they had the audacity, after labeling people who oppose Ahmadinejinut as "nazis", to say that they would have allowed Adolf Hitler to speak at their University. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.



[edit on 30-10-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Lets consider a hypothetical situation, the pollsters conduct an international poll, just like the one here in the US. It goes something like this:

1. Name the country with the biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons.
2. Name the country that is most likely to invade other countries on trumped up charges.
3. Name the country - the only one in history - to have used atomic weapons on another country.
4. Name the country that - keeping 1-3 in mind - needs to be disarmed quickly.

No flames, just food for thought.

[edit on 30-10-2007 by 2believeor0]

Considering the fact that most of the American population is incredibly misinformed and ignorant of simple geography (e.x. the response by the beauty pageant contestant earlier this year), this phantom "27-22%" is probably comprised of people who have mistaken IRAN for IRAQ. Just a thought. In any case, it is undeniable that the media is influencing the population. When I listen to these talking heads on the TV I wanna scream.

I do too... It doesn't matter if they are conservative or ultra liberal, which there certainly is no shortage of , they are sickening to listen to. They parade their OPINIONS around as if it were the gospel...

Go to war with Iran because we "believe" that they are developing ONE nuclear weapon.

Back up Israel when they have like 300 Nuclear Warheads!

Ya, makes complete sense!

reply to post by 2believeor0

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The questions you pose are quite leading. They offer simple answers however, we could argue on the wording a little.

Like you said no flames. It's not my game anyways.

So here are your answers:

1. U.S.A
2. U.S.A (but I don't care for the wording)
3. U.S.A.
4. Iran

How'd I do?

Becker



[edit on 30-10-2007 by Becker44]

I can see the Iranian president now...

"Well, we WEREN'T developing nuclear weapons, but now that you're threatening us with all out war... sounds like a possibility."


I can also see Al-Qaeda saying...

"They weren't helping us out, but now that the US is on their doorstep, they may need a little help... lets go."


In my opinion, anyone who is for a war with Iran needs to have their head checked. Iran offered assistance with the war on terrorism way back, the US refused. Iran gave assistance to the Iraqi civilians by sending engineers to re-construct the power grid... the US took those engineers hostage as "enemy combatants".
Iran requested an open discussion on it's nuclear power plants... the US told them they wouldn't talk unless they dismantled their nuclear weapons... but Iran hasn't got any nuclear weapons to dismantle .

Regardless of Iran's stance on any subject matter, the only thing the US wants from them is war.

Everything could be rainbows and lollipops over there, and the US would still want to bomb the hell out of them.


Simply put, the US wants war. No reasons, no justifications, no good or evil, no glory... just bloodshed. It's like the Bush administration is hungry for blood... They should all be in a mental institution, not running a country.

I get annoyed too when i see newspaper reports of an American football player asking doe they speak English in London? Errrr yes!!! It is after all the Capital City of my Country, England!! Not only that but America inherited the use of the English language when the first people arrived on the Mayflower !!! I do think it is high time people started learning about different countries and cultures and where they are located on the map/globe before bombing them into the stone age!. It might even help world peace (or what's left of it!) if people had a better understanding of the world and more tolerance.
Having said that i DO think the Iranian President is off his rocker big time. No question of that. BUT not ALL Iranians are fanatics. Indeed many ordinary iranians are prisoners in their own country trapped by a corrupt and dangerous regime. There are attempts by some to introduce reforms and introduce a less fundalmentalist Islamic society in Iran. 20 years ago for women not to cover their faces in public would have meant probably their deaths. Now things are much more relaxed. Society in Iran is changing, albiet slowly. So you see things are not black and white as is made to be in the media or by politicians. I have no quarrel with Iran per say, i certaintly do not want to see USA bomb Iran back into the stone age ! Instead of doing that it should be approaching the reformist party in Iran, cultivating relationships with them and give backing to a coup of the present regime. CIA have done this in the past and are more than capable of doing so again given the political backing. Far less bloody than what is being proposed now which which hack off Russia and trigger WW3. There is more than one way to skin a cat as they say !! One final thought..if they can cut a deal with North Korea why can't the same be done with Iran??

reply to post by Becker44

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Everyone is free to form their own opinion of course. However, I imagine that that is not the conclusion other people around the world would reach. An american citizen would certainly think so, just as followers of Ahmedinejad think - we are always right, no matter what the facts say!

Your OP says, the Majority of Americans says....

The Zogby Poll? First off, the "Majority of Americans" probably have never Heard of this said Poll. So how in the heck can the "Majority of Americans" Put in their 2 cents worth? This poll is inaccurate, as you can't tell if someone is of age via telephone, and who did they call?

1028 People Questioned.
That is no were NEAR the MAJORITY of Americans!
Survey Methodology [Zogby America Likely Voters] 10/24/07 thru 10/27/07

All of this back and forth about bombing Iran is useless. Could some one please post the link or video of President Bush where he actually said the United States is going to Bomb Iran?

You folks are arguing over nothing. I don't recall him saying we are going to bomb Iran.

I don't think it is a good idea to do this but, all I see is a lot of finger pointing.

Just for clarity
The OP link leads to : The Raw Story
Which then in-turn leads to the comment in that story: Zogby International survey
And on the bottom of that page it tells of the methodology on this survey: Methodological statement on this survey

Sorry, but one thousand plus people do not count for the "Majority of Americans" and this should be thrown out of the court room!

reply to post by ProfTom

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Thanks Professor.

Hey if I could throw you a few ATS points I would. Sure looks like you could use some.

I think we're really having a philisophical discussion rather than the ole' "Show me the link man" kind of argument. Sure it's been a little heated from both sides but I must say the level of thought, civility, and ideas have been terrific.

Not one MOD has had to step in and take our ball away. So I think you may want to join in or perhaps head over to the Aliens forum where proof is a daily subject.

Thanks for coming,

Becker

Becker, generally, the discussions here stay civil.. I think that is both a testament to our MODS and the type of people who generally post here as well.

reply to post by wyldwylly

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Good points Wylly,

Little tough for many of these pollsters to get a much bigger sampling. In your opinion how many people should be surveyed in order to have a clearer picture of the American sentiment?

I truly agree the sampling is small. We can look to many polls which have been incorrect. Remember the exit polls from the last presidential election? Talk about being way off!

I just don't know how to get a better sampling.

Becker