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If I'm not with Bush I'm with the terrorist?

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posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:19 AM
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I might be taking this too literarly or the wrong way but this has been bugging since 9/11. When Bush made the statement "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorist," I really had hatred towards the man. Basically, from what I understand, he's saying that if I don't agree with what he and his organization is doing I'm basically a terrorist. Does that sound right or am I being paranoid? I think Bush needs to be careful in the statements he makes to the American people.




posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:24 AM
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He wasn't saying that if you don't agree with him you're a terrorist. He was making a call to arms to countries throughout the world, not the american people. If nations stood in our way in our hunt for terrorists, they would be considered a terrorist nation. That was the justification he used for going into Afghanistan.

Do I agree? Not really, soverign states are exactly that, and just because they won't extradite someone is no reason to go to war with them.

But the statement was not made towards the american people having to be with Bush. So no, you're not a terrorist.



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake
He wasn't saying that if you don't agree with him you're a terrorist. He was making a call to arms to countries throughout the world, not the american people. If nations stood in our way in our hunt for terrorists, they would be considered a terrorist nation. That was the justification he used for going into Afghanistan.

Do I agree? Not really, soverign states are exactly that, and just because they won't extradite someone is no reason to go to war with them.

But the statement was not made towards the american people having to be with Bush. So no, you're not a terrorist.


Okay, I guess I did take his statement the wrong way. Thank you for clearing that up.


[Edited on 28-1-2004 by mrmulder]



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:37 AM
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No problem, it was a pleasure!



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:44 AM
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While Bush may not have said that to the american public, they still took it to heart a great deal. To many blind patriots, if you dont support the war, bush, and all that goes with it then you may as well "go live in afghanistan/iraq." Whoever thinks up his speeches didnt think very hard on this one, because thanks to the appearance of it, a great divide has developed in the country between those who oppose his war, and those who dont care but just follow him like a dog on a leash.



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:46 AM
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terrorist (trr-st)
n.
One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.
Okay, so to be a terrorist, you must engage in acts of terrorism. What is terrorism?

terrorism (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


"The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence.." (Example: A country illegally attacking and bullying a smaller country in a "war of aggression" for their own benefit)

"..a person or an organized group.." (A group such as a government administration?)

"..against people or property.." (Killing people, bombing countries..)

"..with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments.." (Taking over a small country by force and planning to reform the government and rule)

"..often for ideological or political reasons.." (Or monetary reasons I suppose, such as oil? As for political reasons, I suppose it could work well for somebody who wants to win an election.)



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:47 AM
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Ahh, but what about us who do care, and follow him on the war, but want to give him the beating of his life with a wet noodle for the Patriot Act?



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:49 AM
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Saying to other countries that you are either "with us" or "with the terrorists" is basically the same as if he said it to the people anyway. It is a threat..either join us or die..to preserve democracy...is that how democracy is supposed to operate? Or is that an example of "terrorism"..



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake
Ahh, but what about us who do care, and follow him on the war, but want to give him the beating of his life with a wet noodle for the Patriot Act?


Anyone who dispises the Patriot Act cant be all that bad
But seriously its better to at least follow him because you agree with him than to follow him blindly.



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 10:59 AM
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Yes, he basically meant that anyone who doesn't agree with his war monger tactics is a terrorist. Even if you are American, if you're not with them, you're against them. You can sugar coat that any way you want, but it still means what it means.



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by alternateheaven
Anyone who dispises the Patriot Act cant be all that bad
But seriously its better to at least follow him because you agree with him than to follow him blindly.


This is very true. At least people who (for what reason I have no idea) agree with Bush because they actually have researched and KNOW what is going on...then thats their right to agree with him...

What I don't like is lots of morons out there who never even read news or give a damn about the government, or the rest of the world for that matter, but yet incessantly support Bush just because thats what they are told to do, and they think if they support Bush then they are being patriots and supporting their country which is not true. And people think if you disagree with Bush then you are for terrorism, thanks to all the media brainwashing since 9/11 and so forth...but if you truely know what is going on and agree with Bush for what he is doing, then that is alright, even though I wont agree with you.



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Satyr
Yes, he basically meant that anyone who doesn't agree with his war monger tactics is a terrorist. Even if you are American, if you're not with them, you're against them. You can sugar coat that any way you want, but it still means what it means.


See that's the impression I got when he made that speech. I think Presidents need to be more careful in what they on camera.



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by mrmulder

Originally posted by Satyr
Yes, he basically meant that anyone who doesn't agree with his war monger tactics is a terrorist. Even if you are American, if you're not with them, you're against them. You can sugar coat that any way you want, but it still means what it means.


See that's the impression I got when he made that speech. I think Presidents need to be more careful in what they on camera.


That's the impression that he wanted people to get from it, and thats why we have so many blind bush followers and people happy to be at war.



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by mrmulder

See that's the impression I got when he made that speech. I think Presidents need to be more careful in what they on camera.


LOL this guy has been rambling on like a idiot since day one, the only president to have webs site and audio tapes out of all his stupid comments and wrong sayings. I personally think the guy is running the country and Economy in the ground. I lost people in 9/11 and I do think IF Iraq had anything to give Terrorists they would, So I agree with the war but HATE Bush, If we Attacked Afghan before 9/11 because of Osama and said he was gonna knock down the towers but had nothing to show, the same people would be saying the same things..
Just my opinion



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 04:28 PM
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"If you're not with us, you're with the terrorist." - George W. Bush

Does this sound like a New World Order speech to anyone?



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 05:18 PM
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I know two types of law because I know two types of men, those who are with us and those who are against us."

~ Hermann Goering, 1936



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Shoktek
This is very true. At least people who (for what reason I have no idea) agree with Bush because they actually have researched and KNOW what is going on...then thats their right to agree with him...

What I don't like is lots of morons out there who never even read news or give a damn about the government, or the rest of the world for that matter, but yet incessantly support Bush just because thats what they are told to do, and they think if they support Bush then they are being patriots and supporting their country which is not true. And people think if you disagree with Bush then you are for terrorism, thanks to all the media brainwashing since 9/11 and so forth...but if you truely know what is going on and agree with Bush for what he is doing, then that is alright, even though I wont agree with you.


Your statement is correct, we shouldn't be mindless sheep, but this cuts both ways. The same thing happened with Bill Clinton, the sheep followed because they were told to in sound bites on tv. Same thing with Bush Sr., Regan, Carter, etc. They're always there, relying on their 2 second sound bite on the 10:00 news to let them know how well their pres. is doing.



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 05:33 PM
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If you don't support Bush, the Patriot Act, or his false war in Iraq then you clearly are unamerican. you must hate america. Maybe you're a Communist? Socialist? Satanist? Democrat?

give me a break...



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by Shoktek

At least people who (for what reason I have no idea) agree with Bush because they actually have researched and KNOW what is going on...then thats their right to agree with him...

What I don't like is lots of morons out there who never even read news or give a damn about the government, or the rest of the world for that matter, but yet incessantly support Bush just because thats what they are told to do


Exactly. I respect those who follow Bush because they have done the research about him and agree with his policies. I have done the research and don't agree with him, so I don't follow him.

The people I have no time for are the mindless sheeple/Neanderthals who either follow him because they 'want to kick some ass', or do so because of the incessant propaganda in the media. These people have no minds of their own, and are perfect cannon fodder for the NWO. Complete wastes of space.



posted on Jan, 28 2004 @ 11:27 PM
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Judging from the moronic speeches I've heard in my little area in Amerika, if you disagree with the president for any reason whatsoever, you ARE a terrorist and should be sent to Iraq/Afghanistan to die with the other terrorists. Of course, these are the same people who did nothing but btch during the Clinton presidency, but I guess agreeing with the government wasn't important until the next republikan got s-elected.

At any rate, I dislike Bush because I disagree with his policies, the way he carries himself in front of the public here, the way he portrays himself to other leaders of the world, and because he lost the popular election. Not because I'm mindless. If someone supports Bush because they agree with his policies, and will listen to criticism without using phrases such as "you goddamn terrorist" or "you unAmerikan piece of sht, go to Iraq", then I can respect their opinion.

***EDIT***During the 2000 campaign, I was not a Gore supporter either. The s-election was a lose/lose situation, either way the country was going to sht for four years, IMO

[Edited on 28-1-2004 by kaoszero]



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