Rice taps Clinton, Carter for Middle East advice

Rice taps Clinton, Carter for Middle East advice

news.yahoo.com

...Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has turned to former presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter for tips ahead of her own conference this year. .....Other sources of advice have been former U.S. negotiator Dennis Ross and ex-secretaries of state James Baker, Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright. Rice meets frequently for lunch with Albright, whose father taught Rice at Denver University.....

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Well it sure looks to me like it’s not just Bush running our country like so many people think. From what I’m reading here we still have Carter, Clinton and his cabinet Madeleine Albright who has been meeting with Rice frequently for lunch. Madeleine Albright whom of course was Clinton’s Secretary of State. This really says one thing Rice and Bush is doing what the Clintons is telling them to do. Like their still running our country. It might look like a different man in office but their agenda is the same. Nothing will change just because a new President will come in. Especially, if its Mrs. Clinton. Then they will for sure finish everything out. But, it doesn’t matter if its her or someone else they all work together. That is obvious. They do what they are told to do. Rice whom also speaks to
Henry Kissinger also a former Secretary of State. I’m beginning to wonder who really does run our country. These Secretary of State people seem like they have a lot of power and control to do as they please.

I feel my Country is screwed. It’s not going to get better only worse. More wars, more terrorist attacks, until the powers that be get what they want. What they want is all of us under their thumb. Implanted with their chips to know our every move. To control everything we say and think.

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If she's really taking advice on foreign policy from Jimmy Carter - then she should be fired.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
If she's really taking advice on foreign policy from Jimmy Carter - then she should be fired.

I totally agree with you there FF!

If this report is true, it's the worst thing I've ever heard about Condi Rice.

Thanks FF for your thoughts. However, its not just Carter though. She’s speaking to several. The thing about it, it’s like the same people whose been there whom we have voted out of office or their term has expired.
Yet they haven’t left. Their still there. We have terms for several reasons. One being so we don’t come under a dictatorship.

Their just doing everything behind the curtains. They don’t really leave office. I mean you even have Former President Clinton and former President Bush running around together all the time. So you know you still have both of them in charge as well.

I am so surprise no one seems interested in the fact that Rice is corresponding with all these other people.

reply to post by Shar


Yeah, help him do the honorable thing and fall on his sword!

I do not believe this story. Neither Bill Clinton nor Jimmy Carter would get in 10 blocks of Condo Rice or Bush43. The quagmire in the Middle East is the exclusive doing of the "know it all" Gang of Four. Super Neo Con Bush43, Oil Man VP Cheney. Herr Oberfuhrer Rumsfeld and the Birmingham Songbird Condo Rice. They broke the delicate balance of power so expensively arrived at in the Middle East. They created this mess. They should have thought of this in February, 2003. Now let them find their own way out of it. Meanwhile, the KIAs keep rising for Bush43's legacy. Hmm? Who Will Be The Last Man To Die In Iraq?

If you even say “Hello” to one of them, you are assuming some responsibility. Uh uh, it don’t work that way. This is not a parlor game.

Even Bush41 can't help his ignorant son. HE arranged for the ISG Iraq Study Group to give him COVER but he rebuffed it without even reading it! Sweet Jesus! Hey, you Red State types have a real winner on your hands! Love it while you can.

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Of course they hang out together that’s been known for a very long time. Look at how Former President Clinton and Former President Bush runs around together. They even did the hurricane Katrina relief fund together as well as the Tsunami in Indonesia together. They make appearances together all the time.


link

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Bush41 and Clinton asking for donations to natural disasters are entirely different that B43 asking for help out of Iraq. Former OK, latter NO WAY

Well its right there in black and white.

I believe it. They seem to all hang around together.

They don't separate like they use too. I believe they might just might want us to believe they do. But, their all friends. Closer than what you realize.

Yeah ask Kissinger, the war criminal and his plan is nuke them out of oblivion. Kissinger reduce the world wide population using food as a weapon... this guy. And ask Bill Clinton, guilty of the massacre of Waco, the WTC bombings and the Oklahoma City bombings, selling nuclear technology to China, further moving america towards a north american union, ect...... Yeah ask those great guys.

This is just a propaganda BS stunt. To show that Bill Clinton the celebrity was consulted...

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Exactly they are all in the exact same bed together. Thats why we the American People are in for more trouble than we realize. Were not voting any one in or our of office any more. Their all still there.

posted by Shar
Well its right there in black and white. I believe it. They seem to all hang around together. They don't separate like they use too. I believe they might just might want us to believe they do. But, their all friends. Closer than what you realize.

OK. Here is what I found at yahoo.com.

“WASHINGTON (Reuters) State Department spokesman Sean McCormick said on Friday . . ”

Mr McCormick said that former Pres. Jimmy Carter had visited the state department to discuss his 1970s Camp David meetings. But he did not say he met with Sec State Rice.

Mr McCormick said some unidentified person had called Bill Clinton on the phone ostensibly about his dealings with Arab-Israeli questions in the 1990s. But he did not say Bill talked with Condo.

Although my earlier assertion went further than this, I stand by my original statement that NO Democrat is going to HELP Bush43.

I am in NO WAY faulting you Shar, for your report. I am faulting Mr McCormick and Reuters’ headline writers.

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Originally posted by Shar


I’m beginning to wonder who really does run our country.


These Secretary of State people seem like they have a lot of power and control to do as they please.

the puppet masters run the country and by extension the world


sure the former Secretaries Of State have power, because they operate
without the restrictions of an Office Holder, they serve at the behest and pleasure of the administrations 'front man' (aka; the president),

but their loyalty is to the puppet-master(s)...most likely funneled from the many 'think-tanks' they were associated with...
or else from the ruling elite in the CFR, or even Bilderberger, who allowed them individually, to ascend the elite heirarchy and gain that cherished Sec. of State position.

donwhite,

Yeah, all I know is what it says.:

...Rice invited Carter, a vocal critic of Bush administration policies, to the State Department on Wednesday where the two discussed his Arab-Israeli peacemaking efforts in the 1970s, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said on Friday. Their talks were "good and cordial," he said. They focused on the Middle East and not Carter's recent criticism of President George W. Bush's policies in Iraq and elsewhere.
A Soviet specialist, Rice also telephoned another former Democratic president, Bill Clinton, who tried, and ultimately failed, in his eight years in office to bring the Israelis and Palestinians together...
Other sources of advice have been former U.S. negotiator Dennis Ross and ex-secretaries of state James Baker, Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright. Rice meets frequently for lunch with Albright, whose father taught Rice at Denver University....

Originally posted by St Udio

Originally posted by Shar


I’m beginning to wonder who really does run our country.


These Secretary of State people seem like they have a lot of power and control to do as they please.

but their loyalty is to the puppet-master(s)...most likely funneled from the many 'think-tanks' they were associated with...

Yeah, I believe this. There's someone behind the scenes running everything, which IMO is not good for the American people.

Well my gut feeling tells me that if this story is true Condi would be looking to understand the mindset of the Palestine leaders and negotiating mistakes that have been made in the past rather then straight foreign policy advice . If that is case I would have no problem with Condi trying to avoid past mistakes. But it just so happens I don't think the report is true is either for the simple reason that wise decision making and common sense haven't been hallmarks of the Bush admin.

The reason I believe its true, cause I think their all in the same bed together, they want to make sure everything goes as planned. No mistakes now. Its getting too close to what they want to have it mess up now.

Originally posted by xpert11
Well my gut feeling tells me that if this story is true Condi would be looking to understand the mindset of the Palestine leaders and negotiating mistakes that have been made in the past rather then straight foreign policy advice

your gut feeling may hold water.. according to this article there might be a big deal brewing about palestine

In the wider Middle East, the conviction is growing that America is determined to launch an attack. Some well-placed Israeli and Palestinian sources suggest that next month’s Middle East peace conference in Annapolis, near Washington, could be the catapult for an ambitious plan to establish a Palestinian state and disarm Iran.

“The idea is to tie Palestine to Iran,” said an Israeli Middle East expert. “Israel will be obliged to accept the establishment of a Palestinian state within a short and firm timetable and the US administration will guarantee that the Iranian nuclear issue will be solved before Bush leaves office. If Israel is prepared to move towards the creation of a Palestinian state, the hope is that Sunni Arab regimes such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt will not protest too loudly about a US attack on Iran”

www.timesonline.co.uk...


if this does happen my bet is israel will never follow through due to some (perhaps false flag) event that makes them decide not to. and now they have iran taken care of without israel lifting a finger. seems like a good plan from israels point of view, have someone else die for your safety.

posted by turbokid

posted by xpert11
Well my gut feeling tells me that if this story is true Condi would be looking to understand the mindset of the Palestine leaders

. . according to this article there might be a big deal brewing about Palestine

In the wider Middle East, the conviction is growing that America is determined to launch an attack. “The idea is to tie Palestine to Iran,” said an Israeli Middle East expert. “Israel will be obliged to accept the establishment of a Palestinian state within a short and firm timetable and the US administration will guarantee that the Iranian nuclear issue will be solved before Bush leaves office.

Hello, Mr T/K, and Mr X11. The Arab Israeli struggle began in 1948 when the UN, feeling johnny-come-lately remorse over Christian Europe's enabling role in the Nazi Holocaust, "gave" the Jewish survivors a homeland unfortunately located in a place already inhabited by others - Arabs now called Palestinians. Prior to then Jews and Arabs - Muslims - had almost always gotten along well enough. In fact, the Jews flourished better and longer under the Moors in Spain from 700 AD until 1492 AD than anytime in reliable history.

There is no religious basis for the current conflict. It is a clash of cultures. Fortunately or unfortunately as you view it, the Arabs are pre-technical and the Jews are post-technical. Technology rules the world today. This explains why 6 million Jews are deeply ensconced into an area occupied by 120 million Arabs.

Until the 1995 assassination of Yitzhak Rabin the Israeli government was willing to give the Arabs the West Bank, Gaza and part of East Jerusalem. When he died, hope for such a reasonable settlement died with him.

Yasser Arafat (1929-2004) for internal political reasons was unwilling or unable to bring along the PLO. Arafat was the leader of the guerilla organization Fattah and the elected chairman of the PLO - Palestine Liberation Organization. Not its dictator, but its chairman. Regrettably Americans know almost nothing about the internal workings of Arab politics. Including me. And Condo Rice. And for sure MBA Bush43.

The Israeli Right Wing has grown both in strength and in numbers since the election of Ariel Sharon. Hmm? I wonder when they will pull the plug on old Ariel? Or does he serve some useful purpose in a coma? Like an Israeli Terry Schiavo?

Right of Return. At the end of the 1948-49 War the UN drew armistice lines separating the newly created state of Israel from the Arabs old "state" of Palestine. About 300,000 Arabs who owned their land but found it in or near to their new and unwelcome neighbors were forced out or scared off their property and became refugees, mostly moving to the giant gravel yard known as Gaza. It is ancient law in every civilized culture that usurpers never gain title to stolen property.

Assuming the Arabs (Palestinians) are willing to play your game with a bad hand dealt from the bottom of the deck, what if anything do we (or Israel) plan to offer them for a peaceful settlement? Israel has already said it regards the Right of Return as a NON issue, that it was settled in the Six Days War (1967) and it is now regarded as "spoils" of war. Also an ancient law. Would it be worth it to the US to "pay off" the Arab claims? Say $50,000 per claim, regardless, making a payout of about $15,000,000,000.00. What we spend in Iraq in say, 6-7 weeks without a blink.

Of course, the Jewish settlements on the West Bank would also have to GO! Do we compensate those people too? They number about 400,000. That would be $20 billion if we paid them a sum equal to the Arabs. OF course, they knew from the get-go they were law violators so they may not be entitled to reimbursement. It is also true the Israeli government funded them in whole or in part. Done and Done.

Which leaves us with the issue of the Temple Mount. The Muslim No. 3 Holy site after Mecca and Medina. The Dome of the Rock which covers the rock from which Mohammad went to Heaven and then returned, and on which Abraham was willing of offer a child sacrifice, Isaac, but which God stopped him at the last minute, thereby symbolically ending child sacrifice in old Israel about which no one speaks.

Also on the Temple mount is the al Aqsa mosque. The Noble Sanctuary. Complicating this is the Jewish claim that the West Wall is the last remnant of Solomon's Temple, which claim is itself suspect as an historical fact, but what the hey, in matters of religion reality is long gone. Belief trumps fact every time. Or how many pieces of the True Cross are there in churches in Europe?

It has been suggested the UN take over the Temple Mount but Israel says NEVER!

It's your turn.

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