Originally posted by FlyersFan
I wish we'd cut off all foreign aid. I wish we'd cut off all our foreign trade.
Let the world TRY to get along without us. (they wouldn't get far)
Let 'em wallow in their own muck and ignorance for a good long time.

I'm pretty sure that can be said TO the Americans too.
Maybe you should remember that next time you type it on your imported technology.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by SimiusDei
Care to explain?

There is nothing to explain. It is very simple.

Ignorance ... means that they don't understand or know the facts about America. They hate what they THINK America is - but they don't really know what it is because they are either too brainwashed with anti-American rhetoric or they are stupid.

Jealousy - means exactly that. They want what America has but they can't have it because they are too busy screwing up their own countries. Failed socialism. Failed communism. Failed shira law. America IS BETTER. They know it. Deep down they know it. They are jealous because they can't have it so, like little school girls, they bad mouth what they can't have.

All simple. Nothing is needed to be explained.
The anti-Americans can't stomach the truth but here it is -
Jealousy and ignorance. Nothing more.

IMHO this post is the backbone of the America that people hate worldwide. Pretty black and white...America is great because I say it is and if you have difficulty understanding my rhetoric, you're stupid!

Not every country hates us. although im sure the rest of the world dont appreciate the fact that the U.S always has their nose in someone else's business. or the fact that our country leads the U.N. Im sure in half of the world people view us as bullys while the other half can see that we want to help in some places. its just that we seem to be looked at in a matter of business sharks. only out to do what deals may make our economy stronger while making more countries depend on us when really we depend on so many other countrys for trading and business.

My opinion is that it was done all in time, wars after wars, playing the cop of the world, and too much pride.
Pride is good to a level, after that it becomes ugly, sort of look at me, ...no,really look at me, I'm the center of the universe.
You guys don't really understand other cultures and their way of life, it's a social barier, and a way of thinking.

I was looking at the NFL presentation in europe, with a gigantic robotic
figure that was suposed to be an american football player, it was horible,
you advertise everything, some not all even advertise their souls, too
much reallity shows turned america in to a gigantic hamburger with over rated ingredients, I liked the 60's america and the 70's america and the 80's where people were some how diferent there.

I guess it's not only the wars and the cop playing role, it's a social barier, another problem is that americans just talk but don't do anything to solve problems when some people from their country chosse to toy with the world as they please, and of course people do hold you acountable because when GWB does something he does it in the name of america,
he states....god bless america and then he gives some orders then a bunch of incocent people are killed while you people don't do anything.
Also the marines and the soldiers in iraq were part of your civilian population, it means they were part of you, the population..your tax dolars are serving as a killing machine,so as long as you don't do anything to solve this problems people will hold you accountable of course morally and not any other way..I guess people will continue to dislike you as long as you don't do anything, for hitler the whole german nation was held accountable, they were just folowing orders and paying their taxes.

You got a president with natzi family past , with a grand grand father serving hitler on the plate.

By the way to make this legit.. it's not about me, it's about why some people don't like you, I don't blame you, but I don't blame them either.
On a personal level I think people there are responible for the out going of your foreign policy and actions, and you should fix it, because you elected them, the diference betwen me and others is that I don't think avrege
americans have bad intentions, I just think that they just don't care.

Jasn, Great topic please bare with my humble opinion. First of all I was born and raised in the US. I have chosen to leave it and live elsewhere due to its continued desire to not correct its ways.

The history of the US and its policies towards other nations and its means to get what it wants, has been the same for well over a century. "Remember the Main" was the cry for war against Spain. However it was "we" who sank the ship so that we could get the Philippine Islands.

"We" allowed Pearl so that "we" could blame Japan and enter WWII. Now lets not forget Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf war and now Iraq...shameful.

As for ignorance, yes that can be stated but for reasons that are the same for the US citizen as well. The gov feeds the people a line of lies regarding other people and we/they buy off on it.

Jealousy, well look at the way we are depicted in the movies (everyone has lots of money) and Disney World (everything is easy and fun and games). Of course we know that this is not true but they do not. Though far too many people in third world countries only know this about America.

People in the US are told that it is the greatest country on Earth and it has the best of everything. Sorry to disappoint my fellow Americans but I have more access to more products that are better in quality and lower in price.

My standard of living is better than I had in the US. Crime is extremely low. It is safe for a young lady to walk by herself after dark without fear of being attacked. There are no shootings, road rage or bombings. I have no fear of going anywhere I want in town by myself. Try that in any major city in the US. The city I live in has over 1 million people.

In regards to being the world's policeman. I have no problem with this as long as we remember that a policeman's job is to serve and protect the public. I just don't see the US serving and protecting lately. More like bullying and murdering. This is just my opinion and nothing more.

It is when i see things like the following i wonder how America every got as 'powerful' as they are:

Well historicaly speaking they had mountains of gold, and of course being a big country in size has a big advantage.

Originally posted by minkmouse

Originally posted by FlyersFan

All simple. Nothing is needed to be explained.
The anti-Americans can't stomach the truth but here it is -
Jealousy and ignorance. Nothing more.

IMHO this post is the backbone of the America that people hate worldwide. Pretty black and white...America is great because I say it is and if you have difficulty understanding my rhetoric, you're stupid!

Nail On The Head.

Between that post, and the one stating that America is the parent and the rest of the world are like children, and you`ve pretty much got the root cause of the problem.

I kind of tired of this "evil Americans " nonsense. And I'm also tired of being told I need to feel bad for Native Americans and African Americans.


My family did not come to this country till the 1920's. And as soon as we got of the boat we headed for California.

We owned no slaves and killed no natives. We just wanted something new.

And I am tired of the blind bigotry some foreigners have for Americans.
I can understand being mad at our leaders but the every day citizens are just trying to survive.


I'm just sick of people in the media trying to get me to feel bad for thing I have nothing to do with.




[edit on 29-10-2007 by DarkMile77]

[off-topic]Wow that was odd I tried to save my post as a draft,yet it showed up on the thread.
Oh & hey pstrron may I ask where you are?I asked because I might be interested in going to where you are in case things in the US get really out of hand.[/off-topic]

[On-topic]I was going to post something but now I got to snoze.When I do post I'll say something about the "Planned hatred" part only,because I think the others will say plenty about the "Earned hatred" part.[/On-topic]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
There is nothing to explain. It is very simple.

Why do i keep finding that the most badly informed people i meet are always so confident about how simply the solutions are? Coincidence?

Ignorance ... means that they don't understand or know the facts about America.

What the American national security state has done around the world has made America every one's business and those organizers and leaders who have been successful have understood the role of imperial powers in their daily oppression.

They hate what they THINK America is - but they don't really know what it is because they are either too brainwashed with anti-American rhetoric or they are stupid.

So they get the wrong picture about America but what do you expect when 'America' bombs or starves them into oblivion while raining it's propaganda on them through their extensive control of the international media?

Jealousy - means exactly that. They want what America has but they can't have it because they are too busy screwing up their own countries.

I would very much to blame each country for their own problems but knowing what the CIA and us state department , and on a few dozen occasions armed forces of the US, have done so far i find that impossible to do. When the US stops intervening in every country that tries to change in the way it wants you can start leveling such accusations but until then it's either j ignorance of reality or just agreement with the policy that US interventions are in fact intended to 'help' other countries and just consistently and coincidentally, have the opposite effect.

Failed socialism. Failed communism. Failed shira law.

Sure we can't blame everything on the US government but i can prove that it's operational wing ( who really gives the orders and where they heed from i can but speculate on) have been responsible for the majority of the wars and genocides of the last sixty odd years.

America IS BETTER. They know it. Deep down they know it. They are jealous because they can't have it so, like little school girls, they bad mouth what they can't have.

Americans don't actually believe America to be better as they have consistently campaigned for and believed the promises of their officials that they will get more benefits and be better protected from capitalistic excess. If you wish to argue that Americans don't know that western Europeans already have most of things they keep fighting for then your making a argument suggesting that your fellows are merely ignorant of what happens in the rest of the world.

All simple. Nothing is needed to be explained.
The anti-Americans can't stomach the truth but here it is -
Jealousy and ignorance. Nothing more.

Why is a fanatics world views always so simple? Do you think it has more to do with them being very badly informed or more to do with the fact that they believe they are being well served by their beliefs?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Believe what you want. I am SURE that they are the ONLY reasons.

At least your for free speech, or is this a question of religion!? Maybe we can yet help you.

I wish we'd cut off all foreign aid.

So do most of the world who get shot to bits with what that aid can ONLY be used to buy!

I wish we'd cut off all our foreign trade.

That's very generous and if your willing to start organizing for such a program you will have my support.

Let the world TRY to get along without us. (they wouldn't get far)
Let 'em wallow in their own muck and ignorance for a good long time.

OUT

I think most of those countries that have become 'involved' ( and rarely by their own choosing) would pay the US , and some like SA and others already do, to become uninvolved but since this is not about money and wealth but about controlling people there is little chance that the US national security will of their own volition will leave the people of the world to their own devices. We would not be so lucky...

Stellar

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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by SimiusDei
I doubt that jealousy and ignorance are the "major" reasons for the anti-Americanism

Believe what you want. I am SURE that they are the ONLY reasons.

I wish we'd cut off all foreign aid. I wish we'd cut off all our foreign trade.
Let the world TRY to get along without us. (they wouldn't get far)
Let 'em wallow in their own muck and ignorance for a good long time.

OUT.

After this dudes post, do you really still need to know why you are hated ?
The world DOESNT want you help, your help is for your own benefits. Your faith brings death and you all follow each other blindly around like the worlds police. Most Americans are arrogant because they never leave the USA and know nothing about other cultures, when you do eventually travel, you walk around like the cats pajamas and crap on the little guys. This is why the enmity exists, nevertheless, this war on terrorism is going to straighten everything up, because now the true Americans are standing up and realising that the war is a domestic one, not a foreign one.

9/11 has changed everything - strangely for the better, and I know that sounds horrible, but if you look carefully... it has woken you all up, you are realising how you have been lied to and controlled. So sad that we need terrible tragedies in our lives in order for us to hold the wheel and drive. But this tragedy has been for the good. To the point where at least Americans are now asking the question that you have just asked, and asking it genuinely.

P.S FlyersFan, If you cut off foreign trade you would be in a lot of trouble, Who do you think makes all the stuff that is IN your country ? Americans ?? ... doubt it, your labour is too expensive, you make the 3rd world countries assemble your stuff in order for it to be cheaper for your people. So you can have cheap shoes, some poor chinese kid is making them all day long and getting paid 5 cents for it. Sleep well at night ?
Do you think you get your gold and diamonds from your own soil >? what about your oil ? Go ahead, cut off foreign trade, but make sure you build your little oil Railway from Iraq before you do it, otherwise you guys are gonna be flintstoning it around in your Dodges.


Ultimately, its not your guys fault, you're being controlled the same way we all are, Americans just need to travel outside of America a little more, nothing good comes from living life with blinkers on. Travelling is the single most beneficial experience a person can have, it is truly eye-opening. In the same breath its easy to understand why people dont leave America - what a beautiful country, you have practically everything. High mountains, awesome beaches, deserts, snowy peaks, rocky hills... its sort of like a mini earth... in a odd kind of way.







[edit on 29-10-2007 by mortalengine]

@FlyersFan

Wow!! do you truly believe that the rest of the world is jealous of you? there are millions of people around the world who are very happy in their own countries with the freedoms they have that you are missing.

I believe they are bringing in laws that you will need passports to travel around your own country, there is a thread at the moment about zero tolerance in your schools and children being branded as criminals for extremely petty things, if you believe these things are freedom then you don't really understand the freedom most of the rest of the world enjoys.