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Native Americans-The Forgotten People.

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posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 08:32 PM
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Just sharing some of my thoughts here.

It seems that the Native Americans are the forgotten racial group.They are not "represented" in any tv shows,any adverts etc.You don't see them on talk shows or debate shows.They are absent in positions of politics and the justice system....Its as if they don't exist.

The governments of the Western world seem to fight for every oppressed group and race,except them.The extreme Political Correctness we have now seems to have forgotten about them too.

Most people seem to forget that they have been oppressed for 500yrs.The other ethnic groups of America that suffer racism have a homeland/ancestral lands that many could go back to if they chose to(though obviously they won't because of the better lifestyle they have in the USA),the Native Americans are trapped in theirs,they are prisoner's of their own lands.

And while the West polices the rest of the world,the Natives are quietly ignored.How hypocritical it seems that many fight for the right for Israel to exist,but no one fights for the Natives to have their own country again.


[edit on 27-10-2007 by jakyll]




posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 08:36 PM
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Just tell that to Ben Nighthorse Campbell or one of the countless Native American notables that I'm sure I could find.



posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 08:42 PM
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Oh,i know there have been N.A.in many walks of life,sorry if i seemed unclear on that.Its just not a constant presence that most other races seem to have.



posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 08:47 PM
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I don't deny that it could and should be a lot better. Nevertheless, I feel a lot of progress is being made.



posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 08:47 PM
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They are not represented in the United Nations, no red man is. So much of our diet and drugs comes from this group of people. They were slaughtered, there culture was almost completely destroyed.

I wonder if the red man will ever rise up, and take back what was theirs? Watch out for the day you get Sioux ed. Any really independent movement within the Native American peoples will be crushed by the powers that be, or at least this is what they would attempt.



posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 09:52 PM
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They were slaughtered, there culture was almost completely destroyed.


Yes,one of those forgotten genocides of history.Along with that of the indigenous people of central america,south america and the oceania continent.



posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 10:08 PM
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Not true. The Native Americans are manifested quite widely. What with the Cleveland Indians, maniacal 'Chief Wahoo' now banned. The White/Red Sox, I could go on and on. We took this country by force. Melded the remaining nations into Americana, killing those that wouldn't comply. The trail of tears. We should be so bloody proud of ourselves bringing Christianity to the savages. They should thank us for bringing smallpox in with our blankets. The Hopis have some very interesting things to say what will happen to our 'net' when the beautiful woman of the sky arrives.
My advise is do not look upon her beauty.



posted on Oct, 27 2007 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by jpm1602
Not true. The Native Americans are manifested quite widely. What with the Cleveland Indians, maniacal 'Chief Wahoo' now banned. The White/Red Sox, I could go on and on. We took this country by force. Melded the remaining nations into Americana, killing those that wouldn't comply. The trail of tears. We should be so bloody proud of ourselves bringing Christianity to the savages. They should thank us for bringing smallpox in with our blankets. The Hopis have some very interesting things to say what will happen to our 'net' when the beautiful woman of the sky arrives.


What more can I add. Kansas City Chiefs are on an off week so local Indian heritage still lives in the land of the Kansa Indians. People will tell you that the Chiefs are not named after Indians, but then, they do play in Arrowhead Stadium.

We really took nothing from the Indians as many think. Land was freely traded for White Man's trinkets and then when those Indians went back on deals (the term Indian giver starts here) they had to be put into place. Much as our legal system does today.

If you'd ask any sober Indian today what he thinks about reservations and casinos, I'd think you'd be surprised by the honest answer.



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 12:52 AM
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We really took nothing from the Indians as many think. Land was freely traded for White Man's trinkets and then when those Indians went back on deals (the term Indian giver starts here) they had to be put into place. Much as our legal system does today.


No,not much.Just their land,their homes,their dignity,their very lives!!

I agree,some land was traded,but thats only a small percentage compared to what was taken by force.As for going back on deals,that lies firmly at the white man's door.Because as more people moved to America,more land was needed,especially the kind that was good for crops and cattle.

When men stood up in apposition to slavery they did a great thing,but they seemed to forget all about the rights and freedom of the N.A.


Indian Giver.


he phrase is quite early in the history of the the USA. Thomas Hutchinson described the term as proverbial as early as 1765, in his The history of the Province of Massachusetts Bay:

"An Indian gift is a proverbial expression, signifying a present for which an equivalent return is expected."


It is common for the conquering race to attempt to justify their invasion by dismissing the conquered as dishonest and stupid.



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posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 01:14 AM
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as someone who has native american ancestry i appreciate the topic being brought up



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 01:54 AM
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I have lived on the Mescalero Apache reservation, worked on the Jicarilla Apache res. and lived for 20 years 7mi. from the Jemez and Zia pueblos here in New Mexico.

Many native Americans hold resentments against the white man but on the other hand many traditionalist would prefer to be completely left alone with no outside influence.

Many whites have a racial guilt about the way the NA were treated. Maybe they should. I don't. Respect is enough.



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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WOW.....Sober? are you implying that most or all Indians are drunks

[edit on 28-10-2007 by deadcatsrule]



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 11:49 AM
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I will assume that your intent was not to cause anger, but you are misinformed. Like most whites, your understanding of property is not the same as the Native American idea. Do you own your mother, that you could "sell" her kidney? her left lung?

You might sell or trade your own PERSONAL right to those parts, but that would bind only you, and not be binding on your brother's claim to those parts to use.

You see, it was a viewpoint difference, a cultural separation, that led to this misunderstanding. But long after the white man realized this, he continued to exploit it with each new group he encountered. It was a misunderstanding of concept that was of great benefit to the expanding nation of whites.

Sober? Well, it was your whiskey that started the drunken Indian phase, because this was not only a profitable enterprise in itself, but also a good first step when seeking ways to cheat someone. And it has been the practices of the white government in trying to stifle Native Peoples from their own religion that left a vacuum that was replaced by alcohol, though this is slowly changing now that children are no longer lawfully put in boarding homes and denied their own culture and language.

Do I by chance sound like your image of a drunken lazy redskin?



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 12:58 PM
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Most people seem to forget that they have been oppressed for 500yrs.The other ethnic groups of America that suffer racism have a homeland/ancestral lands that many could go back to if they chose to(though obviously they won't because of the better lifestyle they have in the USA),the Native Americans are trapped in theirs,they are prisoner's of their own lands.


Who or what was here before the native americans? We are all human beings bound to this one planet. Is it not all of our land? I agree that there is racial bigotry, and so on and so forth, however that is not exclusive to white americans only. It is my opinion, through my own observations, that white americans are more accepting of other races than say, visa versa. Now, i by no means mean to turn this into a racial bash fest, so I will stop there.

We're all ancestors of mother earth. No one has any more right to be here than the next person, many focus on america though because of jealousy and envy. I am a german living in america at the moment. I have seen america from my slanted misguided view from when i lived outside of america. Having lived here for the past several years, I can boldly say that the US is not what most ppl would think it is. Sure its foreign policy sucks, then again, what countrys doesnt look after its best interest? America is misunderstood abroad. America doesnt need to change, but perhaps the worlds view altogether? Afterall, we're only humans living on this blasted rock we call earth...

[edit on 28-10-2007 by West Coast]



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 01:21 PM
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I agree, we are all children of the same Mother. I am an American first and foremost. I am proud to be a part of this nation, and was in no way bashing it. But, history must not be twisted to lessen the guilt or diminish the injustices of the past. It is only by understanding the past that we can avoid repeating the errors of those times in the present.

Had not the First Peoples supported the Europeans at the outset, it is doubtful that they would have gotten such a firm toehold. It speaks to the brotherly love of the Native Americans that the first contact between two such divergent cultures was one in which for the most part, Native Peoples were helpful to the extreme.

And the Native Peoples of the Americas seem to have been the very first inhabitants here, so they did not take the land away from any other group through wholesale slaughter. Nor did they ever have a governing body with the ideal of a Manifest Destiny reckoned as the choice of a Creator God.



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 01:24 PM
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Who or what was here before the native americans? We are all human beings bound to this one planet. Is it not all of our land? I agree that there is racial bigotry, and so on and so forth, however that does not just exist with whites in america. It is my opinion, through my own observations, that white americans are more accepting of other races than say, visa versa. Now, i by no means mean to turn this into a racial bash fest, so I will stop there.



N.A. can be traced back 1000's of years,does it matter who came before that when these people still have those within living memory who experianced violent oppression at the hand of the invaders?

I agree that racism isn't just whites against everybody else,its just the most reported and written about.

From across the pond here in Britain,it doesn't seem that America is very accepting of other races.Many British people are the same though.They complain about foreigners coming over to settle and i can't help laughing and asking,"have you looked at our history?" We're all made up of many different foreign ancestor's,as are those people who live in Europe, America,Canada,Central & South America,Australia & New Zealand.(of course there are many other countries of mixed ancestry i just picked these because of the more recent history of foreign settlement.)



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 01:27 PM
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It's true and absolutley horrible. They get the end of the stick and it is not fair



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 01:34 PM
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Without bashing any religion itself, one has to bear in mind that religion does drive much of the expansion into the lands of other people. As we speak, people are wanting to force Islam on the world, and others Christianity.

While most people in the West are appalled that certain Islamic leaders would tout the idea of forced conversion, this is exactly what was done in the Americas with the Native Peoples. Is it somehow OK when it's Christians using the sword and the gun to convert and not when it's some other group?

It is for this very reason, to understand the motives and ambitions of people now, that we dare not twist past truths to skim over the barbaric policies of the "settlers" and missionaries, and therefore the government, of early America. The facts of the past give us insight into the actions of today.



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 01:44 PM
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Then you have the NCAA trying to further erase Indians from the memory of people by forcing colleges to remove references of the Indians.

What better way to keep the memory alive than to honor them by naming a team after them?



posted on Oct, 28 2007 @ 02:03 PM
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And it is an honor. Sometimes Native People take exception at the name when it is a racist one though. The Washington Redskins is an example. I mean, no one would seriously consider a naming a basketball team the Harlem N-----s would they? How about a chess club called the New Jersey Kikes? Or a UK team called the Bristol Limeys? Would people find it alright to have a polo team from Warsaw called the Fighting Polocks?

Now I'm NOT trying to offend anyone, and I don't use these terms in my everyday language. BUT, they are terms that have had past usage, even in so called polite society. But today they are never considered. Yet, our nations capitol has a team with such a name, and every Sunday a few months out of
the year it is spoken unrestrained coast to coast.

This is what it means to be a conquered and disrespected people.



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