House Passes "Thought Crime" Prevention Bill

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posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 03:01 AM
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House Passes "Thought Crime" Prevention Bill


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The definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn’t specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system.
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posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 03:01 AM
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Our liberties are indeed being taken, not with a bang, but with a whisper.

How many more of these anti-constitution bills are going be allowed to pass before we rise up and do something about it?

Our country was established to prevent such garbage as this, yet, we continue to let these crimes against us slowly erode our liberties.

We will be lucky to have ANY civil liberty left by the time Election '08 rolls around.


Jasn

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posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 03:08 AM
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Nice find! So this is what they were doing while the fires were a burning! How man more rights are they going to take away before America wakes up and does something?



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 03:19 AM
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According to this new bill, your question of "How many more rights are they going to take away before America wakes up and does something?" could be considered as a "coercion to incite citizens to violently oppose the government".

It's disgusting.

This bill is DANGEROUS.


Isn't it our duty, as Americans, to do whatever we feel has to be done to save our liberties? INCLUDING violent means?

Jasn


EDIT TO ADD:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
--Thomas Jefferson

Thought criminal.

[edit on 26-10-2007 by SimiusDei]



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 03:24 AM
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I could not agree more. If peaceful protests do not tell the people that we "elected" that WE THE PEOPLE do not agree with what they are doing to OUR country they something must be done. Your quote from Thomas Jefferson could not fit the situation any better!



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 03:34 AM
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Yes, I heard about this before from some other source. You guys need to start protesting and making your voices heard. This is absolutely ridiculous.

They are using the stepping stone tactics. They take away one thing at a time, slowly, to get people used to their liberties and freedom being stripped away. Its much like the boiling frog analogy. Lately they have made too many changes for it to not be obviously apparent. They have overplayed their hand. Just think of how much your country has changed since before 9/11! Its incredible really.

There is a demonstration tomorrow for peace... start with attending that one so you get to know what it feels like to dare to stand up for something you believe in. Fight your apathy!

11 massive demonstrations, tomorrow...


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posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 03:46 AM
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I would gladly attend if there were one in my area. Unfortunately, there is not. Perhaps I will get one together myself on the next nationwide protest day.

You are right in what you say about the boiling frog analogy, that's exactly what is happening here.

Take little rights here and there until it adds up to ALL of our rights restricted or even gone.

Jasn



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 04:05 AM
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I don't want to be crying wolf here but check this...



`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.


Will this bill extend to the shutting down of ATS and similar sites???

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posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 04:08 AM
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Yes it might. Nobody who has a mind of their own will have a place in their new world order. Are you with them or against them?

There have been some media coverage of the truth movement in the mainstream media, but always with the message that the truthers are crazy and that the Internet is responsible for making these individuals believe 9/11 was a inside job. Cant have that can we... have to make people believe what the "credible" sources are saying! Like Fox News.

So its important for them to take down people who use the Internet to spread the message, saying we are dangerous to the country.

People who think for themselfs will not be tolerated in the future they are trying to build. They want one source of reliable information and that is themselfs. Nobody else.



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posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 04:09 AM
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Boy oh boy if they start to censor the internet all hell will break lose! I mean if they want to maintain the peace DO NOT TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS!



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 04:32 AM
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I personally feel that this is EXACTLY the purpose this bill will serve. ATS may be in for some hard times seeing as how almost every one of us here violates this bill in some way.

I, along with the article, find it funny how the bill is so blatantly unconstitutional and yet they say in several articles that someone who is accused of "homegrown terrorism" shall not have their constitution rights violated.

Contradiction of terms


Jasn



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 04:34 AM
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Indeed. I just happened to catch a newscast about Bill Maher removing the 9/11 truthers from his show. They used the term "these lunatic conspiracy theorists" to describe them. You'd think they snuck into the show with heads on spikes and raving like madmen about the voices the way they talk about them.


It's disgusting.


What ever happened to REAL patriotism?


Jasn



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 04:38 AM
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It seems as though it is all hitting the fan at the moment! You guys are having trouble with your government, the price of oil is skyrocketing and in my country the interest rates have been increased and will again increase before the end of the year so Christmas is going to be a little gloomy by the sounds of things!
I do agree though that the American people need to stand up to Bush and his cronies before it is all too late.



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 04:40 AM
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It's not just the American people. The entire world needs to rise up against these oppressors and stop them (by any means necessary -- naturally, non-violent if possible) to prevent them from further enslaving us.

This is NOT just an American problem.


Jasn



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 05:27 AM
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One of our founding fathers once said:

"A little revolution once in a while, isn't such a bad thing."

And, during the writing of the constitution, a woman ran up to Ben Franklin, and asked him:

"Sir, what type of goverment will we now have?"

"A Republic Mamm, if you can keep it.


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posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 05:29 AM
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Well, I've done a bit of digging, and found the actual bill. This is indeed disturbing, as it sets an uncomfortable precedent for We The People, as we'll be prevented from speaking freely. We won't be able to peaceably assemble for the redress of grievances, as is granted to us by the first amendment. That's primarily because they could say that we're inciting civil unrest by protesting, therefore arresting everyone for "Domestic Terrorism".

Not to mention the most recent Canadian Police incident, where Canadian Police officers went through a crowd creating problems just so they could shut down the protest. The thread outlining this can be found here. What are we to do now, if those that are "sworn to protect us" are actually out there inciting riots to prevent us from speaking our minds? Aren't they supposed to be protecting our rights?

What we have here is a direct breach of the most elementary of rights; the right for We The People to stand up in protest of something that our government is doing. This is scary, as that very simple act may entice some to violence, and could very well undermine all of the freedoms that we've spent the past 230 years building.

I'm watching this one for development.

Mods/Admins, what say you? SO, what will you do if the government comes a'knockin' about this?

TheBorg

[Edited to fix first link.]

[edit on 26-10-2007 by TheBorg]



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 05:44 AM
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Nice work borg. Thanks for adding to the thread. Starred.

It is indeed a scary thing and anyone who can view this bill as anything BUT tyranny needs to wake up.


Jasn



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 05:47 AM
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Some clips from the infamous HR1955 Bill:


“The term ‘homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

The Internet has aided in facilitating ideologically-based violence and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizen.


Agreed about demonstrations/protests x the U.S. in the face of this surely to pass sooner then later. Seems like 'homegrown' terror could be used against the people for anything.



posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 06:20 AM
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V for Vendetta
1984

This is no longer just a conspiracy theory in my opinion. Just think about how much the US has changed since 9/11. Thats no coincidence. Society is changing into tyranny as we write these words on our computers. Every moment that goes by takes us closer to the future described in those movies.

You fight back by spreading information about it. Eventually the critical mass will be reached, and changes will take place. Do what you can to stop the US from turning into a totalitarian country with a dictator. You dont need to become another Alex Jones, you just need to find information and pass it on. Do your part in this.

Fight apathy by making a difference.


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posted on Oct, 26 2007 @ 06:24 AM
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Just remember that the key word in all of this is "violent". Granted, we can't stop the police or other agencies from inciting violence, but if we remain commited to peaceful methods, this bill has no application. They may try to incite violence, but that doesn't mean we must take the bait. It does however appear that they are attempting to prevent a revolution. That's rather interesting, I think. It seems they are finally taking notice and becoming concerned. That's a good thing! Also, keep in mind, it has only passed in the House. The Senate may not pass it, although they probably will; they haven't yet.





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