It is a fact that Iran had for many years open all their doors for unconditional diplomacy at Washington. Now it seem that the supreme leaders will
maybe engage USA into a war which could spread to many other country.
After last week Esquire's whistleblower article about Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann, we can now see that USA will have to show their biggest Bluff
to the rest of the world community if they want to go a long with the Iran attack plan.
Kacou
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Topic started on 26-10-2007 @ 02:56 AM by kacou
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Attack Iran and you attack Russia
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A high-level diplomatic source in Tehran tells Asia Times Online that essentially Putin and the Supreme Leader have agreed on a plan to nullify the George W Bush administration's relentless drive towards launching a preemptive attack, perhaps a tactical nuclear strike, against Iran. An American attack on Iran will be viewed by Moscow as an attack on Russia.(visit the link for the full news article)
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 03:20 AM by kacou
reply to post by Copernicus
I know what you mean Copernicus, but it look like some how the Bush Co will attack before they leave office.
I join the article from Squire here and you can see that the worst is in fact inevitable.
www.esquire.com...
it is a long read but all worth it.
Kacou
I know what you mean Copernicus, but it look like some how the Bush Co will attack before they leave office.
I join the article from Squire here and you can see that the worst is in fact inevitable.
www.esquire.com...
it is a long read but all worth it.
Kacou
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 03:24 AM by Copernicus
reply to post by kacou
Yes, they want to attack Iran, which is why its very important that the rest of the world makes sure they know that the US will be attacked if they do. Its the only way to try and stop this from happening. Nothing is inevitable. They want you to feel that way, sure, but you make a choice believing their lies.
And of course they have been planning this... even the Iraq war was planned before Bush even got into office. Its part of the Project for a New American Century and is a very real ongoing strategy. Like I said, forget the official reasons given for these wars. Thats just a smoke screen.
Thanks for the article though, it was a interesting read even though I already knew their agenda.
[edit on 26-10-2007 by Copernicus]
Yes, they want to attack Iran, which is why its very important that the rest of the world makes sure they know that the US will be attacked if they do. Its the only way to try and stop this from happening. Nothing is inevitable. They want you to feel that way, sure, but you make a choice believing their lies.
And of course they have been planning this... even the Iraq war was planned before Bush even got into office. Its part of the Project for a New American Century and is a very real ongoing strategy. Like I said, forget the official reasons given for these wars. Thats just a smoke screen.
Thanks for the article though, it was a interesting read even though I already knew their agenda.
[edit on 26-10-2007 by Copernicus]
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 03:35 AM by ignorant_ape
reply to post by kacou
didnt Russia make similar declarations in 1914 . with respect to serbia ? and look what a mess that perciptiated
PS - i would like to hear what the Russian offical position is , because Iranian staments do not make it true
didnt Russia make similar declarations in 1914 . with respect to serbia ? and look what a mess that perciptiated
PS - i would like to hear what the Russian offical position is , because Iranian staments do not make it true
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 03:46 AM by kacou
reply to post by Copernicus
What had me worry about this Esquire article is that the Bush Co will get to war by all means. This 2 whistleblowers are not your average staff of the White House but key people in the Middle East strategy and further more right wing and Zionist by ideology. If they think that something will happen and no one can stop them then it is lost in some way. Remember the eve of the war on Iraq, 2 great allies (France & Germany) of America voted against a war in Iraq, million a round the world protested in peace movement either so in UK, and what happen...nothing...they went to war and muddled the country like never before. I am afraid to say that what will happen in the future as already been plan as the beginning of the end of one country...which one? I don’t know really.
I don’t know where you live but I know that no one will be safe for some time to come.
Kacou
What had me worry about this Esquire article is that the Bush Co will get to war by all means. This 2 whistleblowers are not your average staff of the White House but key people in the Middle East strategy and further more right wing and Zionist by ideology. If they think that something will happen and no one can stop them then it is lost in some way. Remember the eve of the war on Iraq, 2 great allies (France & Germany) of America voted against a war in Iraq, million a round the world protested in peace movement either so in UK, and what happen...nothing...they went to war and muddled the country like never before. I am afraid to say that what will happen in the future as already been plan as the beginning of the end of one country...which one? I don’t know really.
I don’t know where you live but I know that no one will be safe for some time to come.
Kacou
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 03:47 AM by Copernicus
reply to post by Agit8dChop
Lets not resort to the same tactics used by the very people we are trying to fight. We cant condemn violence towards others while encouraging someone else to do it.
But yes, of course I want the Bush administration out of the White House. They are the greatest danger to world peace and your freedom in the United States right now.
Lets not resort to the same tactics used by the very people we are trying to fight. We cant condemn violence towards others while encouraging someone else to do it.
But yes, of course I want the Bush administration out of the White House. They are the greatest danger to world peace and your freedom in the United States right now.
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 03:58 AM by kacou
reply to post by ignorant_ape
To answer the Serbia Russia issue in 1914, I can only say that back then Tsar Nicholas II had a very different politic then the Bolsheviks that took over after him. And further more the tension in Russia was already high at that time which is not yet the case in Russia today.
If this scenario have to repeat it self, then we should see a radical change of government in Russia today in less then 2 years.
As for the Russian official position, I have mailed a friend of mine that work in Siberia I cant wait for him to tell me what the news source in Russia is saying about this.
Kacou
To answer the Serbia Russia issue in 1914, I can only say that back then Tsar Nicholas II had a very different politic then the Bolsheviks that took over after him. And further more the tension in Russia was already high at that time which is not yet the case in Russia today.
If this scenario have to repeat it self, then we should see a radical change of government in Russia today in less then 2 years.
As for the Russian official position, I have mailed a friend of mine that work in Siberia I cant wait for him to tell me what the news source in Russia is saying about this.
Kacou
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 03:58 AM by Copernicus
reply to post by kacou
Well, the peace movement is growing stronger and stronger. I know it seems like we cant do anything, but the more of us who is against this, the easier it will be for key military personal to break their programming and realize that they can step out of line and join the millions of people against the war. They are not alone, which is very important to let them know.
People like Alex Jones, Icke, Greer etc are all heroes, because they were the ones who started the resistance despite almost everyone being against them. They had to fight not only the government but also the collective of people saying they are crazy, anarchists, terrorists or whatever. Its a VERY heavy burden which often destroys your life as you knew it. I would not be able to be a front runner like that myself.
But since they have managed to spread the message and show people what is going on, its much easier for the rest of us to just follow the path that is already there. We dont need to fight against the entire population like they once did.
Kudos to everyone who has the incredible courage to stand up for what they believe in, no matter the cost. Thats the only quality that can truly change a society.
[edit on 26-10-2007 by Copernicus]
Well, the peace movement is growing stronger and stronger. I know it seems like we cant do anything, but the more of us who is against this, the easier it will be for key military personal to break their programming and realize that they can step out of line and join the millions of people against the war. They are not alone, which is very important to let them know.
People like Alex Jones, Icke, Greer etc are all heroes, because they were the ones who started the resistance despite almost everyone being against them. They had to fight not only the government but also the collective of people saying they are crazy, anarchists, terrorists or whatever. Its a VERY heavy burden which often destroys your life as you knew it. I would not be able to be a front runner like that myself.
But since they have managed to spread the message and show people what is going on, its much easier for the rest of us to just follow the path that is already there. We dont need to fight against the entire population like they once did.
Kudos to everyone who has the incredible courage to stand up for what they believe in, no matter the cost. Thats the only quality that can truly change a society.
[edit on 26-10-2007 by Copernicus]
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 04:01 AM by sputniksteve
reply to post by Agit8dChop
Either way man, it is not good business to go about forums talking about wanting the president nuked or dead. I would be very careful if I was you. That said, I will have to agree with Copernicus here, it is not helpful to resort to the same tactics as our enemies.
Either way man, it is not good business to go about forums talking about wanting the president nuked or dead. I would be very careful if I was you. That said, I will have to agree with Copernicus here, it is not helpful to resort to the same tactics as our enemies.
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 04:19 AM by kacou
Related story of this post is now showing a diferent view of Iran Nuclear issue in the heart of the Israelit governement.
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said a few months ago in a series of closed discussions that in her opinion that Iranian nuclear weapons do not pose an existential threat to Israel.
The link for this article is : www.haaretz.com...
We need to spread the word (friends, family, works and so on) that peace have to preveal in all front because now it seem that only us can make a diference, the politician are to busy politisasing.
Tell a friend or 2 or 3 ...
Kacou
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said a few months ago in a series of closed discussions that in her opinion that Iranian nuclear weapons do not pose an existential threat to Israel.
The link for this article is : www.haaretz.com...
We need to spread the word (friends, family, works and so on) that peace have to preveal in all front because now it seem that only us can make a diference, the politician are to busy politisasing.
Tell a friend or 2 or 3 ...
Kacou
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 06:21 AM by Duby78
reply to post by ignorant_ape
Nice historic insight! After Austro-Hungarian empire attacked Serbia, Russia had declared war on them. Next thing, Germany had declared war on Russia.
And since Russia had signed an anti German alliance, the Entente cordiale, with Great Britain and France, they've pulled them into the war. This is how The Great War (WW I) started.
However - one should note that actual treaty between Russia and Serbia existed before the war started. Does Russia have any similar treaty with Iran? I don't know, but I think it doesn't. (mutual defense treaty is what I mean)
So, I really don't think that war against Iran would trigger direct Russian military actions against the US, but it also shouldn't be dismissed as a possibility easily, because the possible consequences for the whole world would be unthinkable.
Nice historic insight! After Austro-Hungarian empire attacked Serbia, Russia had declared war on them. Next thing, Germany had declared war on Russia.
And since Russia had signed an anti German alliance, the Entente cordiale, with Great Britain and France, they've pulled them into the war. This is how The Great War (WW I) started.
However - one should note that actual treaty between Russia and Serbia existed before the war started. Does Russia have any similar treaty with Iran? I don't know, but I think it doesn't. (mutual defense treaty is what I mean)
So, I really don't think that war against Iran would trigger direct Russian military actions against the US, but it also shouldn't be dismissed as a possibility easily, because the possible consequences for the whole world would be unthinkable.
) reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 06:45 AM by kacou
reply to post by Duby78
If a war break this will be perhaps the time when the secret government show them self to the world?
Of course Russia will not let USA attack Iran with out supporting the latter with full weapon and intelligence.
Don’t forget that Russia is seeing USA foreign politic as an overwhelming crush against them and China.
The question is now ; Is American ready to gamble all in attacking Iran?
The Bush Co are definitely willing to gamble, the industrial and technocrat in USA don’t seem to have as much willingness in this venture.
Must probably by next year April we will know.
Kacou
If a war break this will be perhaps the time when the secret government show them self to the world?
Of course Russia will not let USA attack Iran with out supporting the latter with full weapon and intelligence.
Don’t forget that Russia is seeing USA foreign politic as an overwhelming crush against them and China.
The question is now ; Is American ready to gamble all in attacking Iran?
The Bush Co are definitely willing to gamble, the industrial and technocrat in USA don’t seem to have as much willingness in this venture.
Must probably by next year April we will know.
Kacou
reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 07:25 AM by Duby78
reply to post by kacou
Well, what we can see, the pieces on the global chessboard are moving into positions for attack. I wouldn't know about the world government, but if you consider all the available info, you'll find so many things that go against the logic... you just feel that we're not seeing all there is to see. Feels like some 'invisible hand' is tightening its grip. Really, while some people think it's all plain and simple, but when you try to understand the whole thing... it makes your head wanna explode. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria... US, Nato, EU, Israel, China, Russia, India...
And by the April '08, you say? Well, I've herd something about US SAC regrouping its assets in a way that is by no means regular. Also, efforts to prepare the B-2B to carry MOP seem to be accelerating. We could see the escalation sooner then one may think. But we're getting carpet bombed with information, so it really gets difficult do make clear conclusions.
And AllSeeingI, where did you find this
???? If this is true, we're really about to get headlong into the world of hurt. The situation is getting
as tense as during Cuban missile crisis, with potential to get more tense then that!
Well, what we can see, the pieces on the global chessboard are moving into positions for attack. I wouldn't know about the world government, but if you consider all the available info, you'll find so many things that go against the logic... you just feel that we're not seeing all there is to see. Feels like some 'invisible hand' is tightening its grip. Really, while some people think it's all plain and simple, but when you try to understand the whole thing... it makes your head wanna explode. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria... US, Nato, EU, Israel, China, Russia, India...
And by the April '08, you say? Well, I've herd something about US SAC regrouping its assets in a way that is by no means regular. Also, efforts to prepare the B-2B to carry MOP seem to be accelerating. We could see the escalation sooner then one may think. But we're getting carpet bombed with information, so it really gets difficult do make clear conclusions.
And AllSeeingI, where did you find this
???? If this is true, we're really about to get headlong into the world of hurt. The situation is getting
as tense as during Cuban missile crisis, with potential to get more tense then that!reply posted on 26-10-2007 @ 07:55 AM by StellarX
I am not sure if the treaty is still in place but at this stage that would be my guess. If the US administration succeeds in starting a war ( and the
military leaders are apparently resisting these efforts) Russia wont in my knowledge ppenly involve themselves but their covert actions against the US
mainland certainly will be!
I have little doubt that the Alliance with Syria will hold and that a war with a Iran will in fact mean a war with Syria. It wont in my opinion change the outcome and since the US armed forces do not have the capacity to conduct more occupations, even with a draft given shortages of equipment, Iran and Syria will get the same treatment Serbia did.
Stellar
[edit on 26-10-2007 by StellarX]
MOSCOW 2 Oct. (IPS) Iranian Defence Minister Admiral Ali Shamkhani and his Russian counterpart Sergei Ivanov signed a joint defence and military co-operation pact and immediately assured that the agreement is not a threat to other nations.
www.iran-press-service.com...
I have little doubt that the Alliance with Syria will hold and that a war with a Iran will in fact mean a war with Syria. It wont in my opinion change the outcome and since the US armed forces do not have the capacity to conduct more occupations, even with a draft given shortages of equipment, Iran and Syria will get the same treatment Serbia did.
Close allies Iran and Syria signed an agreement to expand military cooperation against what they called the “common threats” posed by Israel and the United States, AFP reported.
In a joint news conference, Iran’s Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar and visiting Syrian counterpart Hassan Turkmani said their talks focused on consolidating their defense capabilities and strengthening support for one another.
Although both ministers refused to provide details about the military cooperation pact, Najjar said that Tehran "considers Syria's security its own security.”
www.aljazeera.com...
Though Syrian diplomats insisted the alliance with Iran was not a move to provoke the US, there was no qualification when the declaration was made in Tehran. Speaking at the end of the talks, the Syrian prime minister said: "This meeting, which takes place at this sensitive time, is important, especially because Syria and Iran face several challenges and it is necessary to build a common front."
Iran and Syria heightened tension across the Middle East and directly confronted the Bush administration yesterday by declaring they had formed a mutual self-defence pact to confront the "threats" now facing them.
The move, which took the Foreign Office by surprise, was announced after a meeting in Tehran between the Iranian vice-president, Mohammed Reza Aref, and the Syrian prime minister, Naji al-Otari.
www.guardian.co.uk...
In fact, as had been revealed recently, Russia, Iran and Syria have already entered a defence pact aiming at Moscow's ambitions to the process of altering the balance of power in the entire Middle East. Russia’s own part in this pact has been kept relatively secret for a long time.
Syria has clinched a deal with Moscow early last year, in which Russia agreed to write off more than 70 percent of a multi-billion dollar debt owed from the Cold War era, when Damascus was a stounch ally and arms customer of the Soviet Union. Bi-lateral relations between Moscow and Damascus have considerably warmed since early 2006. A Russian military delegation has been touring military bases and headquarters in Syria as part of an effort to increase cooperation with the regime of President Bashar Assad. The delegation, led by Chief of Staff Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, has met his counterpart, Gen. Ali Habib, as well as senior Syrian commanders and defence officials. Western intelligence experts estimate that up to 2,000 Russian military advisors, under the command of Lieutenant General Vassily Jakushev, 60, the former commander-in-chief of the country's Far East military district, are currently serving in the Syrian military. Russian officers hold teaching positions at Syria's military officer training academy.
www.defense-update.com...
Stellar
[edit on 26-10-2007 by StellarX]
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