Ad Showing 'Homosexual' Newborn Causes Stir in Italy

reply to post by Knightshadowz

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I would LOVE to see your source(s) for this (dis)info. It makes a ton of sense I guess, when a gay person has to tell his parents who are gay-hating that he is gay.

He must just want to go through the drama, huh?

reply to post by bigbert81

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I agree, i'd love to see the evidence for gays being sick if they think it's not a choice.

It doesn't matter whether the individual believes it's a choice or not, i have yet to see any evidence supporting a chemical imbalance NOR a psychological condition.

note; when i think about it, neither one of these scenarios denote that it 'has to be a choice', so if any is thinking that 'psychological conditioning' denotes that the individual makes a choice, get that out of your head right now.

You can influence yourself into a way of life, you don't have to force yourself into it - which is ultimately how one matures, without realising it.

However it is quite likely that there are homosexuals out there whom did indeed make a choice, so neither arguement is 100% correct.

If someone has evidence supporting a chemical imbalance causing homosexuality, then i'll keep my mouth closed if you would provide a link.

That said, the poster claiming 'Gays are sick if; etc etc' needs to understand (if he doesn't already) that claiming that there is something wrong with someone amounts to a close-minded viewpoint of the discussion.

As such, shut up or explain why you think that it's sick - don't leave us hanging here.

I wasnt talking about intercourse.

It was a comment on what you implied. That while homosexual men obviously cannot reproduce no matter how vigorous their sex life, by merely being heterosexual, straight men are impregnating "every hussey" that they meet.

My point was that it would indeed be a different story if you DID get to make babies having anal sex.

Then your argument/statement would be illogical and pointless. You don't get to win simply because your urges don't result in pregnancy.

That's all

reply to post by badw0lf

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Reproduction/sex is an extremely basic function of life. Like survival.

Somewhere along the lines, something got crossed. We don't know all the causes of homosexuality yet; however, I do agree that it is not natural/normal (unless some kind of natural chemical unbalance or something along those lines is the cause of homosexuality), because it goes against a basic instinct.

[edit on 26-10-2007 by bigbert81]

Let me be the first to say but...ewww gheys.

*points directly to the chapter of Leviticus chapter 18 verse 22*

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

I can't call god as a witness, nor to give a supporting arguement, though the bible is a great source to draw from if you want a source of info.

Lastly, your "friend's" parents didn't intend for he/she to be a homosexual, nor would they ever wish it even on their worst enemies. It's a cry for attention and a cry for help.

My opinions are my own, and yours are PURELY speculation as well.

-Knight

P.S. Last post on this issue, and i never said I hated gays but disagree with the lifestyle, by the way. More or less so, at least. Anal sex isn't sex; it's an exit only and allows no means of procreation aside from making yourself feel better by getting porked in the rear, respectfully.

LUST, not LOVE.

Having gay friends definitely proves I am not a gay hater, and that I am rock-solid about my own self esteem without obsessing over my physical features.

Direct approach: off.




[edit on 26-10-2007 by Knightshadowz]

Not quite sure where I was involved in your reply, but IMO you do make good points !

The problem is where you define being normal; it causes most concern amongst people involved in this sort of debate. And sure, as human beings we're a whole mix of screwed up mad sickos who ultimately comprise our species. We're a brujah mix of everything.

But if I saw a rose bush sprouting brussel sprouts, I would not think "Oh how normal is that rose bush!" - I would consider it abnormal. I would not denounce it as evil, nor want to burn it at the stake, nor rip it from the earth and cast it into a fire. I would just consider it as different.

But, and here's the thing. We live in the age of Seedless Watermelon. Man has tinkered with genetics and has, for his own pleasure, made abnormalities, normal.

So, if science can do it, why not let men and women choose to be abnormal - in the true sense of the word.

I'm abnormal, I like being abnormal. I'm not the same as anyone else. I am not gay, but by no means do I consider myself someone who abides by the rules of society. The rules of the 'normals'.

There's nothing wrong with seedless watermelons, unless they start exalting the virtues of how they don't create more watermelons and use that as a reason to attack/belittle seed bearing fruit as a problem.

As to the OP and this topic I find it as offensive as when the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras here in Australia (Sydney) had an 8 year old girl a Mascot - in the parade. Absolutely disgusting to put such a young child in the limelight where so many lewd and sexually explicit acts were feigned for the cause of equality.

reply to post by Knightshadowz

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Good Lord, I ask for a source, and am preached to. You're basing your scientific knowledge of gays on a book that follows the exact same rules as several other "mythologies" of the world.

I love how people take what's in the Bible as pure and unquestionable truth. Tell me, should someone who works on Saturday be put to death? *shakes head* No forget it, never mind. Anywhooo,

I am attracted to women. I cannot be attracted to guys. They just don't do it for me. I can't help it.

I'm pretty sure a gay person is attracted to people of the same sex. They cannot be attracted to the opposite. They just don't do it for them. They can't help it.

EDIT: Granted, I will say that SOME probably CAN help it. I obviously can't speak for all gays

[edit on 26-10-2007 by bigbert81]

Oh please take your bible thumping to another forum.

You are not even here to discuss the topic, just to rant about your god.

Time and place, and this is neither.

reply to post by badw0lf

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Yes, good point. I guess the word "normal" is debatable. Perhaps I did use it too loosely. I can see both sides.

Thanks for the heads up.

do not leave out that we are also bound by the laws of physics (brain included). Physical determinism is near impossible to deny, in that if our minds cannot go against the laws of physics, we can only do as physics allows.




agreed, the definition of choice is an action that one consciously does, but is not forced to do by external stimuli or internal drives.




i presented evidence in my last post and provided a citation from my universities psychology book. i will try to find a link relevant to that study.
HERE is a good link to that study.
HERE
is another link that has a long article about numerous studies. in this article they review all of the data and try to synthesis it in a scientific manner. it is actually really interesting, but it is long.

EDIT: for the record i am just putting this out there for you to look at, it is not an attack on you, i am just putting forward some evidence that states that it is biological. i am not saying this proves it, but it is merely evidence for it.

[edit on 26-10-2007 by DINSTAAR]

I think..does it really matter ...gay, black, white , disabled we are all different ...but there is a norm ..its the people that ram their agendas down peoples throats just because they are different..instead of just getting on with their lives.

I think its down to people losing their sense of a common humanity!

Thats what I think anyway!!

Ha Knightshadowz!!

Dinstaar has posted 2 scientific articles showing that they don't necessarily have a choice.

Aaaaand you've given me a Bible that just condemns it without any reference to the point at hand.

Go ahead and chalk one up for me.

Thx Dinstaar for the reposting.

reply to post by SimiusDei

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i think i'm normal? at least when i was 7 and the old math teacher at school kept on grabbing my ass every chance he got------i didnt like it then and i wouldnt like it now-----would probably execute him myself now but then was too weak and stupid to know what was going on----and i feel sorry for every normal kid that gets stuck around these queers thru no fault of their own.they keep on fishing the bodies of these guys out of the river that runs thru town back of my house-----not my doing but hard to feel sorry for them.they should get help for their sickness just like the rest of us when we are sick go to a doctor /hospital for help.

reply to post by Knightshadowz

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It also says in Leviticus not to cut your hair, or wear clothing that has more than one kind of material, women were to hide for seven days while on their cycle and says if you rape a slave you must pay their owner money but if you rape a regular woman you will be put to death. It also says disobedient children should be stoned and Gays should also be killed to “rid the evil from the land” along with a ton of other irrational expectations…I know how people like you pick and choose what you will believe. Leviticus also says to sacrifice animals but you claim that was thrown out after Jesus was crucified, but what about the others? It’s a sin for a man to have long hair.

Do you feel so adamantly about the other rules, or does the one for homosexuals make you most comfortable?

Also you are to be stoned for cheating and divorces were rarely allowed, women had no rights….what do you say on these issues? Probably not much. Also what is your take on lesbians, since the bible doesn’t directly address them.

So I ask you that before you come to me with LEVITICUS….of all chapters in the bible, why don’t you read what else Leviticus has to say.

reply to post by Knightshadowz

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also i would like to add that you are so quick to quote the bible but show none i none of its teaching. The bible does not teach you to show so much obvious hatred for homosexual either. You are supposed to love every one equally and certainly not hit someone for looking at you "turn the other cheek"

lol such a hypocrite. you give christians a bad name. honestly.

i dont see how you have gay friends when you clearly despise them.

[edit on 26-10-2007 by time4chg07]

EVERYONE missed the point of the commercial - it wasn't promoting homosexuality, but rather making a rock-solid case for pro-choice.
EDIT: on a side note, we should be worried more about the heinous atrocity that has been committed - who the HELL puts a "homosexual" bracelet on a baby - 15 years from now:
"so you're that "homosexual" baby?" - poor thing didn't have a choice... now if that was a female, then fine, moving on....

[edit on 26-10-2007 by HyPhY666323]

Please show me where I stated I hit on the guys who beat me up. Thanks. Because this type of rambling is what I get sick of. First of all, most of us can tell if you are gay or not. Maybe your getting hit on for another reason?



So it's lust? What is it called when you "lust" after women?



I seriously doubt this. What do they tell you? That they were straight until they made a choice to be ostrasized? Please.



Again, we can tell. And what is the definition of "hitting on"? I'd really like to know. Because I have seen people get "uncomfortable" by just glancing in their direction. Again, that is your problem, not mine. The earth doesn't revolve around you straight guys and when a gay person may glance in your direction, maybe you should look inside and really examine why it makes you feel so uncomfortable. Maybe deep down you know you'd like it? Who knows, I can't talk about how some heteros think. Unlike they pretend how to know I think.



Yes, live in secret. Never go out to dinner, movies, baseball games (yes some of us DO like sports) etc. with your boyfriend because YOU have a problem with it. Sorry, I will not hide to make you more comfortable.



Only thing I agree with you on. BTW, why are you acting like it was I who placed that ad? Are we all in cohoots?

As far as acting "special". That is all you see on fox news. Do you really think fox news is going to interview the guy in the suit who looks "normal" or the guy in the leather chaps? Get real. We all don't walk around in leather chaps, even at gay pride. That's just the propoganda given to you of what "we" ALL do. People should start thinking for themselves.

BTW Knight. I don't mean this to get into a fight with you but you said you'd kick me in the teeth if I came on to you. Well, I'd turn around and smack you down. Not all of us are nelly queens.

Who's basic instinct? Yours?

Actually the add is correct. When a child is formed the brain can grow a few ways. Male and females have different brains(they are different in contruction in some areas).One of the areas that is different between the sexes is the part that has to do with sexuality as well as chemical production(testosterone,estrogen,ect). People who are gay have brains that formed opposite of thier physical sex. It simply one of the thigs that can go "wrong" in the formation of a child at birth. Heres the thing though, it's not really wrong because we are not dumb like animals, we know that two guys(or gals) cannot reproduce in that coupling. Our species live on, and if they like same sex relationships, then so what.

That add is telling people something they don't want to deal with because of ideologys that are WRONG! Deal with it.