Police Catch Man Setting Fire In SoCal!!, page 6
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reply posted on 25-10-2007 @ 01:43 AM by Hot_Wings
www.foxnews.com...

Ok, fox news has finally posted a main story that ties together many of the events that we have been talking about. Kudos to you Fox News. They had admitted finally that they have arrested a man that was trying to set fires, however, they have concluded that his crime was an isolated incident and he is not a suspect in the main arson investigation.



Jodi Miller, a spokesperson for San Bernadino County, told FOX News that the small brush fire set by John Hund, 48, of Hesperia, was an isolated incident and immediately extinguished by witnesses. He is not suspected of starting wildfire burning large swaths of the county.

"It is not related whatsoever to the fires going on in our mountains," Miller said.


As well, the comments made a few days ago by Fire chief Prather about the legislature purposefully holding back resources to fight the fire was overstated and more about political infighting than anything constructive concerning fire fighting efforts. I am sure that we will hear more about this later.



Orange County Fire Chief Chip Prather told reporters that firefighters' lives were threatened because too few crews were on the ground. He said a quick deployment of aircraft could have corralled a massive blaze near Irvine.

"It is an absolute fact: Had we had more air resources, we would have been able to control this fire," he said.

Twenty-one firefighters and at least 24 others have been injured. One person was killed by the flames, and the San Diego medical examiner's officer listed five other deaths as connected to the blazes.

The state's top firefighter said Prather misstated the availability of firefighters and equipment. Eight of the state's nine water-dumping helicopters were in Southern California by Sunday, when the first fires began, along with 13 air tankers, said Ruben Grijalva, director of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.


So, this event is has now been listed as arson and there are no suspects in custody at this time. The who’s and why’s are now what needs to be solved. Any leads and you may just find yourself with a small wad of cash to throw in your bank account.


reply posted on 25-10-2007 @ 03:07 AM by birdman1966
reply to post by BlackOps719



You could be on to something, not as though greedy developers haven't done something like this before. Anybody has studied fire bugs knows full well that most of them don't start fires on their own, their hired by people looking for the insurance money.

My cousin works for an insurance company and the first thing they do before they pay out on an apartment complex or other decrepit structure is check out the owner.

This way if an investigator finds something suspicious they can delay paying out on the claim and once they find a criminal act, that's it no insurance payout!

The best thing to do is find out how many homes that burned were foreclosed on and could not be moved on the market.



reply posted on 25-10-2007 @ 03:46 AM by stompk
The following quote is from Adam Housleys website.

While wearing this Star Wars looking get up, a patrol car looking for looters (after they had already arrested one) came upon our location. I began to talk with them and ask about their night, that’s when they told me about the guy who allegedly tried to make a horrible fire situation up here even worse. Here’s the rundown

Adam Housley Fox News Reporter


They are really trying to play this guy down, even though his bond is set a $750,000, so they must have caught him "red handed"

Who in their right mind, would downplay a story like this, when anybody caught setting a fire in an event like this should be hanged on the spot.

Think FOX will follow his trial?

Interesting take on the burn the houses because we are behind on the mortgage.

I feel a more sinister plot, because "they' don't want us to know the arsonists real identity, IMO

Last night, Shepard Smith, (prime time FOX) stated that there was going to be an FBI news conference, sounding like it was supposed to happen during his newscast.

No FBI conference, and I haven't heard a thing about it.

None of the news orgs can agree on the same arson story, telling me that this was not supposed to happen, otherwise the AP an Reuters would have had their stories straight.


reply posted on 25-10-2007 @ 04:00 AM by Beelzebubba
"Forest Fire"

No junk food, just earthly goods
I ate weird berries in the woods
Now I'm seeing colors, I'm getting higher
I think I'll start a forest fire

There's a forest fire climbin the hill
Burning wealthy California homes
Better run run run run run run
From the fire

But some of us stay and watch
And we think of your insurance costs
And we laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
At your lives

Windows covered with bars
Security guards
Is that a house or a fortress?
Against the rest of the world

Windows covered with bars
Security guards
Is that a house or a prison
How you gonna get out?

Electric bull and your tennis courts
Pink sports cars and your boats
Getting fried fried fried fried fried fried
By the fire

Windows covered with bars
Floodlights for the yard
It's a pleasure to watch you
Watch it all melt

But hey!
What about the cocaine
Stockpiled in the basement
Be a hero and save it
You know you're gonna need it

Where's your brand new pretty wife
She might still be inside
Either save her or your cocaine from the fire

But the gates and doors are locked
'Cause the burglar alarms went off
Ever wonder why we laugh laugh
At your lives

Windows covered with bars
Fences spiked with barbed wire
Never looked so helpless
Engulfed in flames

Cameras watchin' the walls
Don't forget the dogs
Now you're trapped in your prison
How you gonna get out

See the gerbil
Run run run run run run run run run
run run run run run run run run run
run run run run run run run run run
From the fire

Dead Kennedys




reply posted on 25-10-2007 @ 05:08 AM by me_ofef_seraph
Originally posted by Blaine91555
This is without question the most paranoid thread I have ever read

If the Fox News people are a little rattled it might be because a couple of them lost their own homes, which they reported yesterday. One of them actually watched his own home burn down.

Think for a moment how many people live in that area. There would be maybe hundreds of Pyromaniacs in that population. I doubt Terror has anything to do with it. If you are that scared the Terrorists have won by the way. That is their goal.





A post like this was needed here. Not because we should bash any conspiracy theory that emerge, but because we need balance to pull the thread out of paranoia pandemonium. Imo people might be out to get you, and there are defiantly conspiracies happening on all scales at all times, but there is so much more constructive and positive point to discussing these things when we don't fuel paranoia. When people are housed up they find conspiracy everywhere. And some times we even want it to be a conspiracy. That is not what this forum is about imo.

Communicating support for a conspiracy theory is so much more healthy when you also deal with the fact that there could very well not be any conspiracy. Some times its like the rhetoric pulls you into this whirlwind of paranoia, and you start to get hyped, or you get scared.

Digging into this story and looking at the possibilities, and communicating concerns and theories should be done, and I know I'm interested in knowing it if there is something more to all this, but I feel this particular thread escalated too fast without much balance.

[edit on 25-10-2007 by asala]


reply posted on 25-10-2007 @ 05:22 AM by FalseParadigm
reply to post by stompk



Please look at the picture in that link.
Why is that fire isolated? Where is the fire behind it, or to the sides? Maybe Alex is one of the arsonists?
I personally think the fires may have started naturally, but that opportunists quickly jumped in.


reply posted on 25-10-2007 @ 06:17 AM by stompk
Now here is a truly bizzarre concidence.



A search of this reveals


Source


Now a quick search of the phone # shows that this is a number available in Shasta Lake, CA
Source

(mod edit- please do not post names and addresses)




[edit on 25-10-2007 by stompk]

[edit on 25-10-2007 by asala]



reply posted on 25-10-2007 @ 08:00 AM by Souljah
I do not know if this was posted yet - but here it goes:

FBI agents shoot dead 'arsonist' as police reveal California fires were started deliberately

A suspected arsonist was shot dead by police as FBI agents revealed several of the fires that have forced one million people from their homes in southern California had been started deliberately.

Police said officers killed a man during a chase as he tried to escape when challenged in the city of San Bernardino.

A motorcyclist who police say set a small fire in the foothills of the San Bernardino Mountains was arrested but investigators said they did not know whether he was connected to any of the larger fires.

FBI agents confirmed that a huge fire in the town of Santiago in Orange County that destroyed 10 homes was started on purpose in two different places.



reply posted on 25-10-2007 @ 09:19 AM by yahn goodey
reply to post by stompk



i'm with you concerning the buisness of irresponsible behaviour dictated by incompetent managers-and a school principal that didnt know or care about a down phone system---required in case of a potential "colombine" situation.all i can figure is that whoever appoints some of these geniuses doesnt know or care about the damage they can cause by their negligence.i just quit working for such a one--lives on valium trying to drown a guilty conscience? a kleptomaniac that steals for himself and the manager that appointed him and anyone else that wants something for free----just as long as the receiver of stolen property is willing to return a "favour" when needed----its just like todays modern politics.
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