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Wildfires in California may have been no accident.

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posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 04:33 AM
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So multiple fires started in California just when conditions were perfect for a firestorm eh? Well I didn’t think much of it until today during a news briefing an official in charge of the fire fighting claimed on Fox News that the state legislator refused to provide the help that was requested by the officials in charge of fighting the fires.

I said to myself refused? Why on earth would they do that?

Then it came to me. The Housing Slump!

What better way to stimulate the housing market than to burn down a bunch of homes in a massive fire? It sounds outlandish doesn’t it, but it’s not that far off the mark in my view? Sounds to me like the officials in California wanted the fire to continue to destroy entire neighborhoods. Why else would they purposefully hamper efforts to fight the fires.

What do you people in California think? Was all this on purpose? Were these fires set by housing contractors? Was the whole thing planned?

Another idea was the possibility that rich people didn't want to have thier houses forclosed upon so they decided to burn down the entire neighborhood for the insurance money instead of seeing thier overpriced houses forclosed upon.


[edit on 24-10-2007 by Hot_Wings]




posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 04:41 AM
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You may be onto something. Can you find this stroy on FoxNews' web site? But why would a legislator risk the lives of so many? Just to "help out" the economy? Man if this all was just to stimulate the housing market, this world really has gone to hell.



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 04:45 AM
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I looked on Fox News to see the clip but I was at the house when I saw the new briefing. It was around 2pm in the afternoon Chicago time. The guy who made the claim was the first one talking during the news conference and then Fox news switched to commercial right after the guy made the claim that the legislators refused to provide the help needed to fight the fire.

I then switched to MSNBC to see if they were coving the news conference but no one else was coving it. Like I said I didn’t think much about it at the time. Sometimes these conspiracies take a little soaking on the brain before they pop out.

I have looked for anyone coving what the guy said on the web but so far its a no go. Doesn't suprize me either. If i find a link i will certainly post it.

[edit on 24-10-2007 by Hot_Wings]



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by Hot_Wings
... during a news briefing an official in charge of the fire fighting claimed on Fox News that the state legislator refused to provide the help that was requested by the officials in charge of fighting the fires.


If it's what was reported on the BBC News this morning, this concerns a request for a number of fire fighting aircraft to be permanently stationed in California due to the year round risk of fires like these.

As for being deliberate - I'd certainly not rule out arson. Although under the current weather conditions, a small fire that might normally go unreported in the media is very likely to develop into a serious bush fire. How many small fires that normally take a fire crew a couple of hours to put out occur in California in any given week?



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 06:37 AM
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yes the circumstances as they are ,I too thought about some desperate people who are stuck with over priced home in danger of losing it,or a group of investors with all their money tied up in a recently built housing tract,doesn't sound too far fetched,being affiliated with construction heard and saw lot's of things that happened,so no not out of the realm I believe



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 06:42 AM
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Any reason is possible. Nobody exactly knows for sure.

But, I think I will say this - I believe it probably wasn't part of an accident. The weather for sure didn't cause the fire, we're not in summer.

[edit on 24-10-2007 by TheoOne]



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 08:11 PM
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I live here in SoCal. The closest town to me was complelety evacuated, but that fire is supposed to be 100% contained by now. My brother-in-law is a firefighter on Camp Pendalten and he suffered smoke inhilation apparently, I havent seen him yet. He was in the hospital yesturday. Anyways, my sister said that there were armed guards all over the Marine base because they caught someone trying to start a fire! It's like the secret asronists desires of some people all of a sudden get triggered and they go crazy. At my school there was a still smoking ciggarette laying in some dry leaves! I stomped that out, but what kind of moron tosses a lit ember into dry leaves in a town that's completely circled by raging fires!? The stupididty of some people!

As soon as I heard about the fires I thought that some might be man-made. We knew the Santa Ana winds were gonna be here, so there was ample time for someone who wants to buy up some property, or emminent domain it, to start a fire as a pretext. And after 40 years of cloud seeding research, and being right next to the ocean, why is there no rain? We flooded the ho-chi-mihn trail in Cambodia with 3 months of rain, but we cant get 3 days of rain here?



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 11:35 PM
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While I agree that something seems fishy with these fires, I do not believe that it's a gov conspiracy with the housing market. The reason being, what would the gov gain by this? The insurance companies would suffer which in turn would hurt the economy even more. However, I do believe something to think about is this....The California Department of Forestry just layed off a bunch of seasonal firefighters. Supposedly this happens every year at this time as this is officially the end of the Cal fire season. Just today it was announced that CDF is now recalling all the layed off firefighters. Could it have been caused by the seasonal workers just to get there jobs back? Think about it, a seasonal firefighter is working hard to make that hyper-inflated mortgage payment when he is layed off. What better way to ensure that he keeps his house by starting fires?



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 11:41 PM
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It wasn't an accident. Channel 8 showed a video today from when the fires first started and they were in 3 separate places.

Also, al-Qaeda said they were going to do something like this a month ago www.usatoday.com...



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 11:48 PM
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Don't they know they'll be seasonal when they're hired? While that could be the case, it's hard to say. I would put dollars to donuts that it was some ahole sicko who could have lit these fires just for the fun of it.



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by edbaseball17
reply to post by Wifiman
 


Don't they know they'll be seasonal when they're hired? While that could be the case, it's hard to say. I would put dollars to donuts that it was some ahole sicko who could have lit these fires just for the fun of it.


Of course they know they are seasonal. But most hope that they can land full time jobs within the agency. What would you do in that situation if you we hoping to land the full-time gig and didn't get it but had $3,500 house payments?

Something to think about...



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 12:01 AM
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That article is from 2003.


However, what date did these fires start in California? Does anybody know?



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 12:03 AM
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What article are you referring to? The fires or the seasonal fireman?

Edit: For crappy spelling

[edit on 25-10-2007 by Wifiman]



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by edbaseball17
reply to post by Wifiman
 


Don't they know they'll be seasonal when they're hired? While that could be the case, it's hard to say. I would put dollars to donuts that it was some ahole sicko who could have lit these fires just for the fun of it.


We are both in agreement that we suspect arson here. These type of fires happen every year, but to this magnitude? Something is amiss...Could be plain ole arson..but could be something more sinister in nature, not gov related, but personal.



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 12:16 AM
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I have lived here in San Diego County for 43 of my 48yrs. and I can tell you that this is a very seasonal problem. The first fires that started near Ramona, Ca. were caused by downed power lines, another started on Harris ranch near Tecate and no one is really saying for sure about the other 2 or 3 fires that are going right now. The Harris Ranch fire burned within 1000 yards of my house and the neighborhood was evacuated 36 hrs. ago. they have now let us back into the neighborhood. Some 500,000 people plus livestock were evacuated county wide because of the threat. That's supposedly more people than were displaced by Katrina, although this is a much different scenario. So far we are looking at over 300,000 acres burned and up to around 1500-2000 homes and businesses lost.

4 yrs. ago we had another pretty bad one, the worst in 50 yrs., but smaller than this one, and it caused several hundred homes to be lost and killed several people. Because of that last incident the local politicos took a severe lashing by the voters and many changes were made to prevent the same potential loss of life. The new system has worked very well and many lives have been saved. They instituted a reverse 911 calling system that informed threatened areas of the fires and allowed people time to evacuate.

There is an ongoing pissing match between the CALFIRE(Formerly CDF) and the other local authorities about using military firefighters. Several county, state and federal authorities have ripped CALFIRE a new one because they were stonewalling the use of military firefighting helos. The Governator, Sen. Boxer and DHS Sec Chertoff along with Congressional Reps were chewing CALFIRES collective @SS yesterday and today to back-off their bureaucratic BS and let the military help. They finally relented but personally I would be firing those losers right now for procrastinating. The first day the winds were so bad they couldn't fly but yesterday and today they were flying.

We did have some high school kids start a fire day before yesterday right outside 1 of the high schools in San Ysidro right near the border. But they got it put out pretty quick. The authorities have said they will investigate the origins of all these fires after the dust settles.

As far as it being contractors starting the fires, I really doubt it, but a few years ago they did bust an Fire official up in the LA area for starting fires, I believe he was an investigator on top of it all. Also they busted a seasonal firefighter here in San Diego a few years ago also for doing the same thing. The last big fire we had 4 yrs. ago got started by a lost hunter who shot a flare off because he thought his buddy's would be able to find him easier.

For those of you who don't know, if you're lost in the woods, you shoot off 3 quick rounds to let folks know you're lost or in trouble, you don't shoot off flares where there is nothing but kindling. What a moron!

My thoughts and prayers go out to those who have lost loved ones and their homes. This is really horrible to watch. The big worry now is that as soon as the Santana winds back off and we get an on-shore wind pattern that the fire will turn around and start burning to the east instead of the west like it has for the last 3-4 days. The thing that makes this Santana so bad is the fact that it's lasting for 4-5 days instead of the usual 2-3 days. Haven't seen one this strong in a long time.


I did here that the fire they are calling the "Poochanga fire " started on the La Jolla Indian Reservation and was originally a structural fire and that it moved up the slopes toward Mnt. Palomar. They are afraid that it will link up with another fire in the area.


[edit on 25-10-2007 by sharkman]



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by Wifiman

What article are you referring to?

The USA Today article provided by Vashtar.


Does anybody know what date these current California fires started?



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 12:37 AM
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I would way the consequences of goin to prison for a long, long time . . vs toughing it out as long as possible. Anway, we really dont know what happend, we're just speculating, i just hope no one gets killed, that's all.



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Hellmutt

Originally posted by Wifiman

What article are you referring to?

The USA Today article provided by Vashtar.


Does anybody know what date these current California fires started?


WHAT article? What was it about? Just saying The USA Article says nothing. It's my experience that USA today usually doesn't print articles 4 years old...hence thier name "USA TODAY"..not "USA Old articles you might have missed 4 years ago"



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Wifiman

WHAT article? What was it about?

This article:


Originally posted by Vashtar

www.usatoday.com...


...posted in this post



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 12:46 AM
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