Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by 1553B

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Well, it's John Lear's board... it's not uncommon for some posters to dispense with observable and indeed visible facts in favor of highly exotic, impossible to prove theories.

Originally posted by Laxpla
Wow, those pictures from that reliable site, converted me into a believer.

Why thank you

- Is the space stations a secret refuel station for the 6,000,000 underground population on Mars?

No the refueling stations are separate... They are also fully automated... The SSS however does appear to act as a storage facility for the returning full canisters of lunar generated fluids... which are liquid hydrogen and oxygen for return trips to the moon from LEO (saves hauling it up from Earth) and liquid Helium 3

I am still tracking how the HE3 gets down to Earth... but they do have a modified shuttle capable of rendezvousing with the STS

I know this question is starting to blend into another topic,

Quite right we covered all this in detail in the other thread

but how can 6,000,000 be accurately counted for if its underground?

A census

- If an amateur astromonmer can use his telescope that he bought from walmart to identify these "secret" space stations, then whats the point of them if advarsaries can spot them?

He can't identify them.. He asked at a NASA spacecraft site what they might be and was promptly tossed off and all his posts deleted... we covered that too... He never said UFO or 'secret space station' he merely asked what these SATELLITES might be and he was booted for bringing up UFO's

I'm just trying to debunk some of these claims which offer nothing close to proof.

Try harder... its not working

Boeing's Space Gas Station

A method and apparatus are provided for delivering lunar generated fluid to Earth orbit from lunar orbit. Transport takes place in an external tank of a shuttle which has been suitably outfitted in Earth orbit for reusable travel between Earth orbit and a lunar orbit. The outfitting of the external tank includes the adding of an engine, an electrical system, a communication system, a guidance system, an aerobraking device, and a plurality of interconnected fluid storage tanks to the hydrogen and oxygen tanks of the external tank. The external tank is then propelled to lunar orbit the first time using Earth based propellant. In lunar orbit, the storage tanks are filled with the lunar generated fluid with the remainder tank volumes filled with lunar generated liquid oxygen and hydrogen which serve as propellants for returning the tank to Earth orbit where the fluid is off-loaded. The remaining lunar generated oxygen and hydrogen is then sufficient to return the external tank to lunar orbit so that a subsequent cycle of fluid delivery is repeated. A space station in a higher Earth orbit is preferably used to outfit the external tank, and a lunar node in lunar orbit is used to store and transfer the fluid and liquid oxygen and hydrogen to the external tank. The lunar generated fluid is preferably 3He.

SPACE TRANSPORTATION FOR A LUNAR RESOURCES BASE (LRB)
Hubert P. Davis, Starcraft Boosters, Inc.
1032 Military Drive
Canyon Lake, TX 78133
(830) xxx-xxxx
email: xxxx@xxxx.com

This is a report of a work in progress. So far as the author is presently aware, this topic has not been previously addressed. Proprietary work by NASA or others may, however, exist that address similar topics.

This work assumes that a base near the South Pole of our Moon will be established for the purpose of exploiting the resources of the Moon; principally the water ice that many believe was discovered by the Clementine and Lunar Prospector satellites. The ice is of particular value as, with the aid of the ample solar resource available nearby, it may become an essentially limitless source of oxygen / hydrogen propellants for continued visitation to and expansion of the base and for the support of additional space exploration missions, including human exploration of Mars.

This work placed a total 129 tons initial base for both the in crater and crater rim installations, as well as a 90 tons “marshaling yard” at the Earth Moon L-1 libration point. For launch services, the results of an in house Shuttle Derived Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle study were used. It is called Aquila./ This vehicle can deliver over 50 tons to low Earth orbit from the Kennedy Space Center, using a combination of Space Shuttle and Delta IV Heavy components.

A second stage of the Delta IV Heavy vehicle was used to deliver 15 tons payloads from Earth orbit to docking at L-1. By so doing, no “new start” systems are needed beyond those of the L-1 station and the LRB itself, provided the Aquila and Crew Exploration Vehicle have been previously developed. At L-1, three of these once used stages are fitted with landing gear and other elements needed to produce a highly capable Lunar Vehicle and it is refueled from propellants delivered from Earth to place the base and to provide a single visit of a six person crew to aid the robotic operations necessary to produce a fully functional base.

If the ground rule is established that “dry” cargo and propellant must be launched separately, 34 launches were required. This will permit over 50% of the launches to launch only propellants. Later missions, using propellants produced by the LRB, show a large net gain in propellants available at L-1. For example, a round trip mission with the CEV results in a net gain of over six tons of propellant at L-1; a cargo delivery nets over 69 tons.

Work continues on the “pay-off” phase; that is, further missions making use of the propellants obtained from the shallow “gravity well” of the Moon. Propellants produced on the Moon will only be used from the lunar surface or from L-1; no attempt will be made to deliver them to other locations. That will come, but is “out-of-scope” for the present work.

A Mars mission departing from L-1 with mass of 686 tons can be placed on the trans Mars trajectory expending lunar origin propellants and just one of the Lunar Vehicles, requiring an additional 13 Aquila launches. This will permit dual Mars spacecraft to be used for each mission with a 28% mass margin over a single, similar mass vehicle departing from low Earth orbit.

Id like to show this picture of how far away woomera in Australia is from other towns:

Woomera

Now come back and tell me that they launched secret missions from there without anyone seeing them do so

RPK plans to establish two launch sites for operating the K-1 reusable aerospace vehicles. Spaceport Woomera is located in Woomera, South Australia, about 470 km (280 miles) north of Adelaide. Test flights and initial commercial operations will be conducted from Spaceport Woomera. Figure 1 below shows an overview of the Australian launch site with initial launch corridors indicated.

Australia's Defence Science and Technology Organisation (DSTO) has today launched one of the world's fastest air-breathing engine experiments, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Defence, Mr Peter Lindsay announced. The scramjet engine experiment reached speeds of up to Mach 10, approximately 11,000 km per hour, or ten times the speed of sound. Scramjets are air-breathing supersonic combustion ramjet engines that could make it possible for a two hour flight from Sydney to London.

“In its heyday, Woomera was the second busiest spaceport in the world, after Cape Canaveral,” Dr Gorman said.


“The USA used Woomera to test components, and to track the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo space programmes Europe launched nine Europa rockets there before moving to French Guiana in the late 1960s. Australian expertise was vital in developing Britain’s Cold War missiles. In those days, people expected that astronaut missions would soon be launched from Woomera, taking Australians into space on a regular basis.”