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reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 04:59 PM by Springer
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

There you have it, spelled out IN YOUR OWN WORDS Access Denied, by John. That is the END of this nonsensical stalking, bashing and trolling.

GOT IT?

Fair warning has been given...

Springer...


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:28 PM by amigo
I was randomly reading through the forums and stumbled upon this thread and couldn't resist but to chime in.

It is interesting to note that it appears only American members get upset when NASA is called NAZA or identified with the Nazis. Is this some sense of pride you have while ignoring the facts that stare you right in the face?

Everyone (and their grandmother) knows that NASA was made up from former Nazis without who there would be no US Space Program. Furthermore, it seems that those were some truly ardent nazis in the bunch, but it all got watered down in the Project Paperclip documentation.

They (NASA Nazis) have continued to practice their beliefs even after getting americanized and that had become interwoven into missions and projects (many other that NAZA [deliberately used in this context] does beside space exploration, mind control and other brainwashing stuff to name a few - read Cathy O'Brien for more details)

So using NAZA is probably quite justified in any occasion and on any level. I only feel sorry for those men and women, so called American Patriots, who have unbeknown to them joined ranks with possibly one of the greatest evils in our short recorded history, thinking they are serving their country. *sigh*

Funny thing came to mind right now, I believe it was from that movie "The Right Stuff" when Wernher von Braun says "Our Nazis are better than their (Russian) Nazis." *chukle*

Another funny thing is this last shuttle mission that everyone mentions having 2 days of leisure time at the beginning and the end, at tax payers expense.
Or was it something else they had to do first and last. Maybe some "bird" repair or such covert-op assignment, again at tax payers expense. God knows we need all that hardware up there, my life is so much richer with it.


reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 08:53 PM by buddhasystem
Originally posted by amigo
Oh forgot to chime in for the resident skeptic Access Denied...

...so if this "orbital mechanics" is so delicate, what happened to sending bunch of men to the Moon in three (3) days back in the 60s in a dishwasher, yet it takes two (2) days to just find a suitable orbit nowadays?

Has everyone in NAZA all of a sudden retarded to a level of a Neanderthal after sending 15 people to the Moon, that they can't easily put an over glorified jet plane attached to a ballistic missile into orbit?


I've watched many docking of various craft on TV, both Soviet, Soviet/American and American. In case you haven't noticed, the relative speed of the docking craft of in fact quite minimal, and the precision of the maneuver needs to be very high. Have you tried parallel parking on a busy street in Boston or NYC? Now imagine it happens at a velocity of 6 miles per second. I know I'm making a not entirely adequate comparison but it's freaking amazing that you can get this kind of precision through ballistics. Shooting bullet with a bullet. No wonder you have to carefully watch the trajectory and not rush into the docking phase.

Lunar mission was a completely different business and no, they weren't shooting for a precision of half a foot. Last time I heard, they would often miss by like a few miles or so (quote needed).

So feel free to compare apples and oranges... That's that/



reply posted on 11-11-2007 @ 11:37 PM by buddhasystem
Originally posted by amigo
...couple of formulas does not make you an orbital science engineer.

Even if you were I would still doubt your numbers and your science because it really is your word against mine - there's no set in stone proof for anything


Oftentimes, a physics experiment is a pretty darn good proof of the validity of a particular theory. You see, if I tell you that my theory says that gravity will cause you to accelerate in the direction of the center of Earth, it's not my word against yours. You can prove me wrong by stepping off a tall building and slowly drifting sideways. I'll wager that you crater, though.

It's a crude example but I hope that it drives home the point that we can, in fact, have a pretty firm grasp of how the word around us really works. You can tell a person who calculates spacecraft orbits for living that you totally don't believe his/her math, but in the end it's he/she who can navigate a probe around Saturn and bring it back to crash into Mercury for the benefit of scientific observation. In the end, it is that kind of people who do wondrous things, like develop quantum mechanics that enables the construction of the computer that you are typing your messages at, and there is also the other kind, who diss the first kind because the other kind didn't do very well in math. The fact that I read the rather preposterous message of yours is in itself a proof that there is a lot of truth in quantum mechanics, but of course you can say the opposite because hey, it's your word against mine.


And let's not even dwell into current, or past couple of decades scientific principles (or lack there of), where wild theories have become accepted facts


Please explain to me the deplorable lack of scientific principles characterizing the past couple of decades (according to you, the dark times started in 1987). You could use detailed examples from two decades prior to that, 1967-1987, to illustrate your point. I can't wait to hear from you.

While at the same time the common folk has been totally desensitized to the real doctrines


I've been around a few Nobel Prize winners but I never heard from these distinguished folks that they possess un understanding of a "real doctrine" (as opposed to the myriad of false doctrines propagated by the forces of evil to "desensitize" the poor "common folk"). You apparently do, so pray tell.


of science and scientific principle of inquisitive and critical thinking, in favour or blind obedience, not disturbing the water and pushing on the status quo.

Were past days Nazis smarter than today's Nazis, at NAZA, that they cannot put a bucket into orbit without delays


I find this statement quite disingenious. You know quite well that shooting stuff up in the orbit in itself has become a routine procedure and they can do it in their sleep. Docking one complex machine with the other with a few inches precision while moving at exceedingly large speed does not equal placing stuff in orbit, and it almost seems that you willingly blind yourself to that fact. The Soviets almost lost the Mir station and their crew when they punctured one of the modules of that station in a failed docking, and they have done tons of that stuff prior to that.

yet they used to go to the Moon without a glitch (aside maybe from Apollo 13 being a glitch, if that story was true to begin with


I encourage you to read up on the history of the Apollo program and you'll see that it was hardly smooth. For starters, you forgot that fire on the launchpad that took the lives of three atronauts. Just please don't tell us that this was staged.
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