I just got done watching today's brief on NASA TV.

It does not sound like they have any time to dock with the secret space station tomorrow. They will instead be spending tomorrow getting ready, and ulimately landing the shuttle.

Just in case anyone else missed that.

Originally posted by COOL HAND

I just got done watching today's brief on NASA TV.

It does not sound like they have any time to dock with the secret space station tomorrow. They will instead be spending tomorrow getting ready, and ulimately landing the shuttle.

Just in case anyone else missed that.

Yeah, I missed that. Don't you think 50 hours for 'getting' ready is pushing it? Thats only a little more than 2 days of checklists. Oh wait, JRA said we need a nap time. He said that this is not a sweat shop!

Originally posted by johnlear
Yeah, I missed that. Don't you think 50 hours for 'getting' ready is pushing it? Thats only a little more than 2 days of checklists. Oh wait, JRA said we need a nap time. He said that this is not a sweat shop!

I did not say that. On the previous mission, they had some extra free time for themselves, because they did not do their usual loop around the station. They will be doing that on STS-120 however.

And it's not all checklists that they need to do, but at the same time, they don't want to rush things. It's better to be safe and take it slow.

[edit on 5-11-2007 by jra]

Originally posted by jra

I did not say that. On the previous mission, they had some extra free time for themselves, because they did not do their usual loop around the station. They will be doing that on STS-120 however.

And it's not all checklists that they need to do, but at the same time, they don't want to rush things. It's better to be safe and take it slow.

Thanks for the post JRA. Here is exactly what you said:

originallly posted by JRA
Who says all the inspections and checks take 52 hours? Astronauts also have to eat and sleep, plus they also get some free time to themselves. This isn't a sweatshop we're talking about here.

Over 2 days of sleep and free time? Are you kidding me?

Thanks for the post anyway.

Originally posted by johnlear
Over 2 days of sleep and free time? Are you kidding me?

Where did I or anyone say two days of sleep? Look at COOLHAND's post, as it gives one a general idea of what they do durring that time.

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Not when you consider they have the following items to complete:

• Cabin Stow • Flight Control System Checkout
• Reaction Control System Hot‐Fire Test • Crew Deorbit Briefing • Launch and Entry Suit Checkout • Recumbent Seat Set Up for Anderson • Ku‐Band Antenna Stow FLIGHT DAY 15 • Deorbit Preparations • Payload Bay Door Closing • Deorbit Burn • Kennedy Space Center Landing


I'd say they have plenty on their plate.

No stopping off at the mythical, magical, mysterious space station for this crew.

Thanks for the post COOL HAND. None of those items looks like it could take over an hour. For instance deorbit burn. What do you think? 3 or 4 minutes? Launch and Entry suit checkout. What? 15 minutes.

Lets say each item took 1 hour which is unlikely thats 11 hours. You've still got 41 hours to go!

Nope. They are either redezvouing with a secret space station or servicing a secret satellite.

But they are not, repeat NOT performing checkouts for 52 hours.

And thanks for the post. I don't believe you but many do.

Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks for the post COOL HAND. None of those items looks like it could take over an hour. For instance deorbit burn. What do you think? 3 or 4 minutes? Launch and Entry suit checkout. What? 15 minutes.

By the checklist, each suit takes 90 minutes not including the pressure test.

Lets say each item took 1 hour which is unlikely thats 11 hours. You've still got 41 hours to go!

At least eight of every 24 hours is devoted to crew rest. So, that would account for 16 of the remaining hours.

Nope. They are either redezvouing with a secret space station or servicing a secret satellite.

But they are not, repeat NOT performing checkouts for 52 hours.

They do not have sufficent fuel onboard to perform another rendezvous with ANY other orbiting anything. Unless they have perfected a zero fuel thruster?

And thanks for the post. I don't believe you but many do.

Your welcome, I must admit I admire how you stick to your guns in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Originally posted by jra
And it's not all checklists that they need to do, but at the same time, they don't want to rush things. It's better to be safe and take it slow.

LOL I guess thats why the Russians beat us into space

Seems they can undock and get home a lot quicker than our boys can...

Mission: Expedition 9/Soyuz 8
Undocking: Oct. 23, 2004, 4:08 p.m. CDT
Landing: Oct. 23, 2004, 7:36 p.m. CDT

3 hours 28 minutes

Maybe they had a wedding to go to ...

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Your welcome, I must admit I admire how you stick to your guns in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Thanks COOL HAND, but its not a question of overwhelming evidence. Its a certainity that NAZA has rarely spoken a truthful word since their inception in the 50's. And I have no doubt that the Space Shuttle has far more capability to maneuver than you or I have been told.

And the poppycock of 50 hours plus to take 2 eight hour naps and check your pressure suit prior to a 4 minute deorbit burn? Sheer, unadulterated nonsense.

But I admire how you stick to the party line.

Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks COOL HAND, but its not a question of overwhelming evidence. Its a certainity that NAZA has rarely spoken a truthful word since their inception in the 50's. And I have no doubt that the Space Shuttle has far more capability to maneuver than you or I have been told.

john, hypergolic fuels like the shuttle uses have known burn properties. We know how much fuel she carries, and you can use that to calculate your total burn time. Are you saying that there is some other kind of propulsion system on the shuttle? Care to tell us what it is?

And the poppycock of 50 hours plus to take 2 eight hour naps and check your pressure suit prior to a 4 minute deorbit burn? Sheer, unadulterated nonsense.

You do realize that four minutes is just the engine burn, right? They still have to come down from whatever their orbital altitude is.

But I admire how you stick to the party line.

It isn't hard when you know it is the truth.

Originally posted by zorgon
Seems they can undock and get home a lot quicker than our boys can...

Mission: Expedition 9/Soyuz 8
Undocking: Oct. 23, 2004, 4:08 p.m. CDT
Landing: Oct. 23, 2004, 7:36 p.m. CDT

3 hours 28 minutes

The Soyuz doesn't hit a runway in a glide slope zorgon. It's basically a frickin' tin can that finally lands via parachute somewhere in the Russian steppe. Relative to the shuttle's return method, it is as precise as throwing darts at a dart board, blindfolded.

Apples and oranges zorgon.

i]Originally posted by COOL HAND

John, hypergolic fuels like the shuttle uses have known burn properties. We know how much fuel she carries, and you can use that to calculate your total burn time. Are you saying that there is some other kind of propulsion system on the shuttle? Care to tell us what it is?

Thanks for the post COOL HAND. Yes, I would imagine there is another kind of propulsion aboard or maybe a space tug that could be attached and move it to the other secret space stations.

Considering that we are actively mining the moon, which I believe to be true, I would imagine that we have all kinds of secret abilities which include moving the Shuttle around to service and supply the secret space stations, going to the moon and back, going to Mars and back plus exploring numerous other planets and star systems.

Sec. 305 of the NAZA Charter states "The National Aeronautics and Space Administration shall be considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States Code of Federal Regulations.

Further, "Sec. 205...(d) NO information which has been classified for reasons of national security shall be included in any report made under this section (of the act).

So NAZA reports to and is controlled by the DoD and its unlikely that either would inform the public of anything that is a threat to national security.

And I would respectfully remind you that, in my opinion, national security means: a term/system used to hide information and knowledge at the expense of those who paid for it and to whom it rightfully belongs for the exclusive benefit and wealth of those who have stolen it.

And I would respectfully further remind you that as stated in “Dark Mission” …”this continued deception, no matter what the legal rationale or national security implications (is) fundamentally extra-constitutional.”

It isn't hard when you know it is the truth.

It is quite possible that you do know the truth but if you do you are not stating it here.

But thanks for your post, it is greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by MrPenny
orgon.

We already covered the fruit in the other thread you know the 1/2 ton delivered by Russia for a handful of people?



But thanks for pointing that out

Apples... 3hr 28 min
Oranges... 44 to 72 hours

I suppose some crews require more time than others to do those 'checks'

Mr. Lear; a bit off topic, but could you tell me why you call NASA "NAZA"? Is it a play on the word nazi, or something else?

And Zorgon, I believe what he was trying to explain to you was the fact that they are not the same craft... Hence the departure discrepancy.

Originally posted by PartChimp

Mr. Lear; a bit off topic, but could you tell me why you call NASA "NAZA"? Is it a play on the word nazi, or something else?

Thanks for the post PartChimp and yes, it is a play on the word Nazi. Do you like it? I am quite pleased with myself and I hope it turns out that I was the first one to use this play on words but I doubt it. It must have been used many times before.

If you read Hoagland/Baras book "Dark Mission" (which I highly recommend) you will understand the "play".

Thanks agains for the post.

Originally posted by johnlear
Thanks for the post COOL HAND. Yes, I would imagine there is another kind of propulsion aboard or maybe a space tug that could be attached and move it to the other secret space stations.

So the J-Track data and visual observations that we can make at night are just crap? In reality the shuttle is secretly being moved around at will to complete secret mission that are not broadcast on NASA TV and are not known to the entire crew?

Considering that we are actively mining the moon, which I believe to be true, I would imagine that we have all kinds of secret abilities which include moving the Shuttle around to service and supply the secret space stations, going to the moon and back, going to Mars and back plus exploring numerous other planets and star systems.

Then why would they use such a public thing as the space shuttle? Wouldn't they want a more low key servicing system. How did they supply this station when the shuttle was not flying?

Sec. 305 of the NAZA Charter states "The National Aeronautics and Space Administration shall be considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States Code of Federal Regulations.

Right, what is your point? The DoD contributes a fair percentage of NASA's total budget.

Further, "Sec. 205...(d) NO information which has been classified for reasons of national security shall be included in any report made under this section (of the act).

If you had a real security clearence and access to real classified material you would understand why it HAS to be kept secret.

So NAZA reports to and is controlled by the DoD and its unlikely that either would inform the public of anything that is a threat to national security.

Would't something from space constitute an international threat? Or do the aliens only have something against America?

And I would respectfully remind you that, in my opinion, national security means: a term/system used to hide information and knowledge at the expense of those who paid for it and to whom it rightfully belongs for the exclusive benefit and wealth of those who have stolen it.

And I would respectfully further remind you that as stated in “Dark Mission” …”this continued deception, no matter what the legal rationale or national security implications (is) fundamentally extra-constitutional.”

How is it extra-constitutional?

It is quite possible that you do know the truth but if you do you are not stating it here.

But thanks for your post, it is greatly appreciated.

Fine, if I am not telling the truth than prove me wrong. Show some evidence to support your claims. Convince me that you are right and the majority of the world is wrong.