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Should I join the American Communist Party?

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posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 09:16 AM
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Should I join the American Communist Party?

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I've been working out to get in shape to meet the CPUSA membership fittness requirements in 2010 when I will put in my application. Just looking for some feedback.

Should I join the American Communist Party?
I realize that its a lost cause. But I do support China. And the way I see it, America is so corrupt and decadent, that if I try to change things "inside the system", I'll either lose out to people more cruel than me, or become so evil myself that I won't stand for anything.

Better to be a man of good character fighting for a lost cause than a successful goon. Look at all of history's heroes with the exception of militrary men like Napoleon, none of them played inside the sytem even when thier cause seemed dire and hopeless.

I'm not looking for a history lesson here. I know the "Dirty little secrets" of communism, like the back of my hand. But I support the communist Part of china. What I'm looking for is philsophical feedback on what is a better life spent. Fighting inside the system hoping to work your way up and make a difference or fighting outside the system for a "pure and noble" cause with no chance of victory?

I guess philsophically I got 3 options.

Utilitatian- Work my way up as a DA or firm lawyer, get invovled in local Democratic or Republican politics and hope to rise through the ranks and make a difference.

Kantian/Stoic- Refuse to commit a wrong deed and just join the CPUSA and ride the horse wherever it takes me.

Hedonist - Forget about it and just enjoy myself on a mini-utopia on a hippie commune.



posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 10:34 AM
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I'd have to say no.

I'd rather my country decimated in a nuclear war than become communist.

And fact of the matter is, I approve of genocide against communists, history has shown what could happen if you just leave them be for too long, thats why Russia is so terrible nowadays.



posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 02:34 PM
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kacen, that's ridiculous. communism wasn't the problem in soviet russia... a dictatorship was.

communism is a form of economics, not a form of government. there's nothing inherently bad about communism

anyway, in response to the question, do what you think is right.



posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 02:44 PM
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China are not communist. They support capitalism, and leave their poor to starve, on top of the typical communist mantra of destroy anyone with an alternative point of view.

If you want to join communists for idealistic reasons, forget it, get practical and join the party that gets represented in government closest to you, and then fight for what you believe in. Destroying democracy is no good thing, not because of consumerist choice, rather, you can't kick the corrupt decadent incumbents out.



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 04:10 AM
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communism isn't about destroying democracy. show me one thing about an economic system that directly ties it to a system of government.



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 04:35 AM
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Wow, how nice. Advocating mass murder because you dislike someone's economic theory. Y'know the whole "purge the communists" thing had its heyday back in the 30's somewhere in Northern Europe. I forget how that turned out, anyone? Little help, refresh my memory?



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
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communism isn't about destroying democracy.


In principle? Show me any practise


show me one thing about an economic system that directly ties it to a system of government.


Their leaders being able to do what the hell they like with no feedback directly from the people (democracy).



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
kacen, that's ridiculous. communism wasn't the problem in soviet russia... a dictatorship was.


Communism itself is a problem, whether it establishes a dictatorship or not, they still try to overthrow a country's economy and turn it into a hellhole.

I am a former communist, I despise it now. I hate everything to do with it. It is just unnecessarily unfair, it is way too extreme. Choose Socialism, fine, but communism? Unnecessary. (Though personally socialism by itself is not the type of economic system I want, I would consider putting in some socialist economics to supplement)


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
show me one thing about an economic system that directly ties it to a system of government.


Fascism. It's own economic system and system of government, among other things.


Originally posted by The Walking Fox
Wow, how nice. Advocating mass murder because you dislike someone's economic theory. Y'know the whole "purge the communists" thing had its heyday back in the 30's somewhere in Northern Europe. I forget how that turned out, anyone? Little help, refresh my memory?


It had merits and helped in some ways and in others...

Mussolini did well, Hitler of course went overboard with ethnic cleansing and hell he focused way too much on that, if he had focused more on wiping out communism than his other psycho ideologies then the world might have been a better place, but regardless he did a good job of curbing communist growth; I'll never admire Hitler, I despise racism along with many of his other insane beliefs, but I cannot ignore the facts.

Metaxas and Franco also did well, along with Pinochet, though not to say they didn't attack the wrong people on occasion.

[edit on 10/24/2007 by Kacen]



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 11:28 AM
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fascism isn't communism... and soviet russia wasn't exactly communist

i think anarchistic communism is actually quite the equitable system and wouldn't really turn a country into a hellhole

ok, quick reminder
anarchism is "no leaders" not "no laws"



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 12:43 PM
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The irony of someone from a communist background, who uses Stalin et al as a reason for her hatred of communism... who then advocates mass murder of people for their political philosophy... That's just outstanding, really

Are we going to call it a gulag?



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
fascism isn't communism...


Of course it's not, Fascists kill communists, I was merely citing an example of a economic system tied to a government system.


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
and soviet russia wasn't exactly communist


I know. Everyone should know that. I hate communism ether way.


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i think anarchistic communism is actually quite the equitable system and wouldn't really turn a country into a hellhole


It doesn't work.

It is even stupider than the "fake" communism that happened in the Soviet Union and other places.

I mean, in a communist dictatorship, you can force the communist laws on everyone.

How do you enforce a communist law with no government?

Anarcho-capitalism, now that would work, in fact it has, but eventually it may not be anarchist anymore; thus, development.

I don't agree with any form of anarchism anyway.



Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
ok, quick reminder
anarchism is "no leaders" not "no laws"


I was under the impression at the very least it meant no government, so there would be no way to enforce the laws.


Originally posted by The Walking Fox
The irony of someone from a communist background, who uses Stalin et al as a reason for her hatred of communism... who then advocates mass murder of people for their political philosophy... That's just outstanding, really

Are we going to call it a gulag?


I don't see any irony.

I never even freakin` mentioned Stalin, and I am not a she.

To be frank most communists hated Stalin in fact even the Soviet Union realized he was a psycho and decided to bury him instead of preserving his body like Lenin.

I hate communism because of the way it has destroyed country's in the past.

Anyone else notice how Chile is the most stable country in South America? It may not have been if it wasn't for Pinochet. He wasn't a great morally-sound individual, but he was the lesser of two evils compared to Allende, in my opinion. He stopped Allende from turning Chile into something like North Korea.

Regardless, hes not dictator anymore, and hes dead, and now Chile is stable and socialist and much better off.

There is a big difference between communism and socialism, the sad fact is many socialists sympathize with communists and thats their downfall.

Look at a corruption map of South America and Chile is the least also Uruguay.



posted on Oct, 24 2007 @ 08:04 PM
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I hate communism because of the way it has destroyed country's in the past.


Except Communism has never actually been attempted on a national scale anywhere, except in a highly corrupted form based on Lenin and Stalin. Thus any and all examples you bring forth are based on the philosophies of these two men.



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by The Walking Fox
Except Communism has never actually been attempted on a national scale anywhere, except in a highly corrupted form based on Lenin and Stalin. Thus any and all examples you bring forth are based on the philosophies of these two men.


I hate what it stands for!

I hate true communism and I hate true marxism!

I know what true Marxism/Communist stands for; I was a communist, remember?! I know all you have to say, and I still hate it!

I greatly despise and disagree with it. It will never work, people should be allowed to own certain things if they so please.

The "primitive" communism that Marx spoke of only happened because there were small tribes living together who did not have surplus of food, so they had to share it. Nowadays we do, it's just ridiculous to have 100% full fledged communism nowadays and a waste.

There is nothing wrong with being rich and successful. Socialism, fine! Good, keep the poor people who are less fortunate from being out in the streets, but once you solve that, why drag everyone down to normal levels?! No reason past that!

Not every rich person is some snobby greedy bastard you know! Thats a really retarded, overdone stereotype.

Bill Gates is a great philanthropist, for instance, and he did hard work to earn his money.

So what if he has a high-tech house, the guy worked for it, give it a break. Full economic equality is just redundant and not needed, theres a certain point where you should work for something.

And I am being very lenient and generous for even considering some form of socialism, because there are in fact some people who are just lazy as heck and become communists due to that, some people who to be quite honest deserve to be left out in the streets with no home.

[edit on 10/25/2007 by Kacen]



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 11:51 AM
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But that's not what you said. You stated you hated it because of what it's done to countries. This was a false statement as it's never actually been applied to a country. Now you say you hate it for its philosophy. Are you going to stick with that reasoning?

You're right. Communism does not work when applied to a large group. It doesn't work that well with a small one, either, as humanity is naturally territorial and status-oriented. Communism-with-clauses is fairly effective with a small group, resulting in most tribal groups having had ritual taboos with regards to property or status.

Unfortunately the system you appear to be supporting doesn't work too well, either. In every society, wealth equals power, and power creates wealth.

I suppose the fact that your system tells you that someone with more money than you is a superior human being entitled to more rights and political say than you, doesn't really bother you... given that you're an advocate of mass murder, I suppose very few things could bother you.



posted on Oct, 25 2007 @ 03:28 PM
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If that isn't a joke, please U2U me if you have a messenger or something, I could explain some things to you.



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