Planet of Slaves

Topic: How to build and sustain a slave-system

How to sustain our current slave-system:

* Indoctrinate children into thousands of beliefs on the limited nature of reality before they leave school.

* Teach them it is the most important thing to get a job (to make money for someone else, rather than themselves)

* Teach them that liabilities are assets (a car and a house is not an asset...something that makes money for you...its a liability, something that costs money on a regular basis).

* Heavily tax them and have them spend the rest of the little money they have on stuff they dont need (new sushi-making-machine anyone?) In this way, keep them running on a treadmill of survival for the rest of their days.

* Upkeep a steady flow of negative programming (fear induction) and reinforcement in the news-media. Encourage "consensus-view" vs. "unnormal view".

* Create a bunch of false dichotomies to distract from the real issues (left vs. right, christian vs. muslim, east vs. west, captitalism vs. communism, religion vs. science, technology vs. greenpeace). Rather than allowing people to take the best of both worlds, have them continually and exclusively attack one side while defending another.

There are many, many more methods to sustain the slave-system, these are just a few, some of which might have not been obvious to some.



Discussion points:

1. What are further means to sustain the slave-system we live in?
2. What are the alternatives?
3. What positive projects are already being undertaken?
4. What can an individual do to get out?

reply to post by Skyfloating


I don't have time to give full comment to your points but I will hopefully look in later and do so. In the meantime though excellent topic and very well presented. I look forward to seeing what members have to say. Could cover a lot of ground.

All the best

Don't forget debt.

As soon as you apply to go to college, "they" bombard you with credit card apps.

Oh, and make sure you borrow your tuition.

Then, to show off your success, you will need to finance a nicer car than you can afford, and to make yourself an established citizen

you go down to the bank, and put yourselves in debt for 30 yrs on a variable interest loan, where one actually pays more interest over a 30 yr period, than what the house cost originally.

And spray the air with chemical, to keep em dumbed down and sick, so that they don't fight back.

Lovely people. They will have their taste of Hell.

*See thread "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars"

I'm interested in the Federal reserve's ability to print money out of thin air. I think that could actually be a pretty good idea to build a new economic system around. We basically keep things the way they are, but eliminate all debts and taxes. The government wouldn't need to tax since they can get money out of thin air. We'd need limits to the amount that could be printed up, we should probably keep it pretty simple, so what I'd suggest would be "imaginary taxes", which would basically be the way we do taxes now, but instead of taking that money out of people's hands we let them keep it, and print up money equivalent to the amount of imaginary taxes that's accumulated. The rich might actually start "paying" taxes this way.


I'd like to get more complex than this, but I don't really know much about economics. There are probably some flaws in what I've already suggested that aren't apparent to me, so I'll see if anybody can point them out to me.

As usual, a thoughtful and provocative post from Skyfloating.

" What are further means to sustain the slave-system we live in?"

Data and information control, which could include debt or negative programming but it's also so much more than that. When they control your "input" they control your "output". Just a click on the computer somewhere could completely change how society views you. IE: terror watch lists, disinformation campaigns, etc.

"What can an individual do to get out?"

Knowledge is Power. Understanding how the machine of civilization works is the key to escaping it. The more "civilized" the society in which you live, the more it will influence you and the more you are forced to compromise in order to participate in it. You have to unplug yourself from the noise and influence of the hive mentality in order to escape from it.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
You have to unplug yourself from the noise and influence of the hive mentality in order to escape from it.

Either unplug from it or become immune to it. Thats a good path, a prerequisite for coming up with solutions.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by kosmicjack
You have to unplug yourself from the noise and influence of the hive mentality in order to escape from it.

Either unplug from it or become immune to it. Thats a good path, a prerequisite for coming up with solutions.

It's not a matter of becoming immune to it. You have to be born that way, a freethinker who questions everything and who rejects propagandistic programming. The average Joe is so wired into the hive system of other-esteem, compulsive socialization, and keeping up with the Joneses that no other way is possible. He lives for his daily scoop of soma.

Keep them in the dark about what’s important. Whenever possible make the new media headlines about individuals in peril or scandal. Almost never cover major stories that lead to information about interconnected events. Isolated incidents perpetrated by absolute individuals are all that should be covered by the news media.

Never report the crime situation in the country as it really is! Never broadcast absolute statistics that cover crime trends. Instead, only cover criminal activity in a manner that highlights something new or never seen before or something that is seemingly rare.

Never make financial education a priority for any learning environment. Never stress the importance of money and finance to children until they have reached the graduate collegiate level. That way they can make all the before mentioned financial mistakes that will trap them into the system before they can learn about what really goes on in the financial world.

Create a body of the government that controls the financial aspects of the country in a manner completely closed off from the general public. Have no one within that body of government actually elected by the general public. Instead have it to where everyone that holds position of power within this branch of the government is appointed from within the body politic itself. (The Federal Reserve Board, a body of government in which the people have no direct vote whatsoever)

Never provide news coverage for any 3rd political parties except to alienate them from the general public. Only show on the television and mass media candidates of the 2 party system. Don’t let the people think that they have any real choice of who to elect for political office.

Only provide tax incentive programs for businesses that further trap the public into the system and prevent them from creating alternative sources of energy and a means of escaping the monopolistic utility companies.

Pass laws that prevent individuals from being able to day trading stocks and then convince them that it is for their own good that the government protect them from making large amounts of money, uh, I mean protect them from losing their money. At the same time make it easier for people with money to make even more money from daytrading by allowing day traders with over $25000 dollars to use twice as much margin as the general population can with less than $25000 in an account.

Make it almost impossible for anyone without an advanced college degree to be able to get a large business start up loan. This makes is so that anyone who wants to immediately start a strong corporation must first be a slave of the education loan system.

Originally posted by Kingdrakethe3rd
I'm interested in the Federal reserve's ability to print money out of thin air. I think that could actually be a pretty good idea to build a new economic system around. We basically keep things the way they are, but eliminate all debts and taxes. The government wouldn't need to tax since they can get money out of thin air. We'd need limits to the amount that could be printed up, we should probably keep it pretty simple, so what I'd suggest would be "imaginary taxes", which would basically be the way we do taxes now, but instead of taking that money out of people's hands we let them keep it, and print up money equivalent to the amount of imaginary taxes that's accumulated. The rich might actually start "paying" taxes this way.


I'd like to get more complex than this, but I don't really know much about economics. There are probably some flaws in what I've already suggested that aren't apparent to me, so I'll see if anybody can point them out to me.

The flaw here is that money does not just intrinsically have value. The US dollar is one of many currencies and at the moment its weak. The more money the reserve prints "out of thin air" is the less money in the US economy backed by actual gold reserves.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
1. What are further means to sustain the slave-system we live in?

For me the most damaging propaganda is the perpetuation of the myth that someone will save us. The Christians wait for the messiah to come and clean up the mess we have made since his last outing, while the rest of us are brainwashed through popular media that there are those stronger and wiser who will step forward to "save the day". Same thing just different characters.

As long as we sit around waiting for those heroes we are not saving ourselves, we are not organising ourselves for action - infact we are doing nothing other than waiting. Why recycle or cut our carbon foot print when armageddon is imminent? Why stand up to our current leadership when Spiderman/Superman/Wolverine/Will Smith/Tom Cruise etc etc etc will do it for us?

Lack of self-belief is in my opinion what is drving us in the direction of total subservience.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
2. What are the alternatives?

Revolution and mass uprising - highly unlikely but the time is going to come when those of us who know better are going to have to make some very hard choices. I don't want to turn away from the suffering of others for the sake of a quiet life and I hope against hope that there will be others who will join me.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
3. What positive projects are already being undertaken?

Ummm - tough one. The media is completely saturated with selfish models to follow and I personally have stopped watching TV almost completely but there are a few exceptions. Children's programming is the worst with only a few channels actually promoting less selfish ideals - cbeebies (BBC) for one - of community and self-awareness. Across the board of their programming they appear to avoid concepts of super-heroism and promote individual responsibility.

On a wider level...I struggle to come up with anything definate. As you say there is far too much emphasis on parting us from our hard earned money and ensuring that we stay in our pidgeon-holes. From such a young age now people are pushed into specialising and as I for one know, we change as we get older and what we thought we would be at 18 is not necessarily what we want to be at 30 or beyond. By specialising early we limit our ability to adapt - yet another thing that keeps us down (mentally and physically).

Originally posted by Skyfloating
4. What can an individual do to get out?

Stop playing THEIR game. We drive market forces because we WANT instead of focusing on what we NEED. I don't need twenty-pairs of shoes, I do not need cheap clothing and products if those products are produced by people receiveing 6p per hour. If we don't play they will have to change. This of course requires all of us to change.

Individually, we have little chance of escape. There are times when I wish that it would all break down so that we can start again, go back to basic needs - but I would like to think that we can all wake up before it is too late and remember that we are the masses - we have the power. There are billions of us and a few hundred of them, if we all said no, what would they do - without us they have no armies to protect them.

reply to post by Skyfloating


This is historical. A first. I agree and think a Skyfloating thread is worth reading in it's entirety. Very good post. Thought provoking for all the right (real and relative) reasons.

We absolutely live in a "slave" type social economic system. We're set up from birth, if not inherently wealthy, to succumb to "the system." I hate to sound like your average conspiracy theorist, but it's blatantly obvious that we're set up for mediocrity. As hard as it maybe to "prove," the means are in plain sight.

Wow....lots of lucid replies here. Great.

Some of your statements deserve repetition and quoting:


Kosmicjack: You have to unplug yourself from the noise and influence of the hive mentality in order to escape from it.

IamTetsuo: The average Joe is so wired into the hive system of other-esteem...He lives for his daily scoop of soma.

HotWings: Whenever possible make the new media headlines about individuals in peril..Almost never cover major stories that lead to information about interconnected events

HotWings: make all the before mentioned financial mistakes that will trap them into the system before they can learn about what really goes on in the financial world

HotWings: Create a body of the government that controls the financial aspects of the country in a manner completely closed off from the general public. Have no one within that body of government actually elected by the general public

HotWings: Never provide news coverage for any 3rd political parties except to alienate them from the general public.

HotWings: Pass laws that prevent individuals from being able to day trading stocks and then convince them that it is for their own good that the government protect them from making large amounts of money, uh, I mean protect them from losing their money

HotWings: This makes is so that anyone who wants to immediately start a strong corporation must first be a slave of the education loan system.

KilgoreTrout: The Christians wait for the messiah to come and clean up the mess we have made since his last outing, while the rest of us are brainwashed through popular media that there are those stronger and wiser who will step forward to "save the day".

KilgoreTrout: By specialising early we limit our ability to adapt - yet another thing that keeps us down (mentally and physically).

KilgoreTrout: If we don't play they will have to change

DeadFlagBlues: I hate to sound like your average conspiracy theorist, but it's blatantly obvious that we're set up for mediocrity. As hard as it maybe to "prove," the means are in plain sight.

You guys sure see through the game

It looks like the red pill has been taken. Good job Sky... that rabbit hole is a lot deeper.

Good, good, good...

It eases my mind to see that people ARE waking up after all.

4. What can an individual do to get out?

I´ll stretch that to PEOPLE, and not just to individuals.

First step: realize we're slaves. (done that!)

Second step: tell people the truth, speak out (doing that!)

Third step: DEMAND changes! Let "them" know that "we" know. (going that way now, I hope)

Fourth step: if third step goes down the toilet, then it's time for uprising, and believe me, some people are already prepared (preparing) for that, this very moment.

But an uprising can ONLY be sucessful if the majority of people WAKE UP. People may not want to fight, and that's understandable. But we must have the majority of people KNOWING why the uprising is happening, otherwise those very people, in ignorance (believing the lies, with their heads in a hole), will sabotage the work that frees us all.

Peace

(sorry for any typos, mistakes, I'm in a hurry and no correction software here.)

1. What are further means to sustain the slave-system we live in?

Religions that tell you that you can’t live up to their prophets. No one is born holier than you. I believe at some point the world will come to realize the similarities between having separate places of worship and separate water fountains. It is a falsity, manufactured or accidental, and it only encourages separation. It gives disgruntled people an excuse to be “holier” then their neighbor. Star War’s “Force” is more real than any religion’s “God“. No offence. I just don’t believe places of worship deserve separate labels. Divide and concur.

2. What are the alternatives?

The recognition that at our core, we all want the same things. People just pit us against each other. A United States of Earth if you will, without the corruption.

3. What positive projects are already being undertaken?

If your an American, go there and sign up. They have a letter somewhere on that site for you to send to your congressman, all you have to do is put your info in and click enter.

www.americanfreedomcampaign.org...

4. What can an individual do to get out?

Non compliance. I have a G.ood E.nough D.eploma and the internet. That’s all the non specialized education I need. I’m not yet pursuing any particular career so I see no need for a “higher” education. I don’t go to any church but do acknowledge my spirituality. I quit a certain big orange corporation because I disagreed with some policies I was supposed to enforce. If it is not right, don’t do it, then they have no power.

Create an environment so toxic that once the worker reaches retirement age they will be so plagued by disease that they must devote their lifetime savings on pharmaceuticals and health care.

Implement a total surveillance network to identify those who are disrupting the status quo and eliminate them.

Institute social programs and media campaigns to destroy the traditional family structure as an alternative means of support.

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Great topic. Ejecting yourself from the system is a difficult if not impossible feat. I worked as a machinist since I was sixteen. The majority of the companies I worked for produced weapons of war (aerospace, artillery, etc...), when I realized the true nature of the system I could no longer work in this capacity without feeling nauseated. It's hard to find a niche where you are not feeding the system in some way.

You mean like the 2.4 trillion they printed for the 2 prong war effort? Yeah, I can see that could be a drag. Bushtards!

I'm going to by an old vw bus, quit my job, and live out of it in cali and just surf all the time. as long as I can muster up a few dollars in quarters a day and some money for taco bell, i'll be fine.
/sarcasm

seriously though, what else is there to do? I'm content with going to work everyday, i go to school full time too. Gives me something to do, makes me feel good about myself.

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Are you attempting to mock me for not complying?

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If you are pursuing a career you like than good, I’ve yet to find one and I’m not going to pay some school because that’s what they tell me I’m supposed to do. They push kids into it before they even know why they are really there. Visit that site my stupid hippie self posted if you want to know what to do.

[edit on 24-10-2007 by captainplanet]