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Would the U.S. be on the winning side of WWIII?

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posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 03:37 AM
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MM- I'd like to start off by saying that I was playing more of a devil's advocate to see what you'd come up with... and I must say you're last response is quite resonating..

Note: This will be veering off topic, but I feel compelled to respond ...(plus it's my thread
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
Photon, for along time we have been prisoners in a prison without bars, that prison is the material World where we are conditioned to believe that we have to work, fight and die for those material things. Our need for material things makes us dependant on those who provide them. Therefore that enslaves us into believing that we need these material things and that in turn we have to be controlled and enslaved.


I couldn't agree with you more on this statement. It's a machine and it's very difficult to extract oneself from it's grip. Now strip away all that is material, and what do you have?

The machine is breaking down....material things are slowly becoming worthless... this is a good thing


But what if you were told that you don't need to do this, that you can have the basic things in life and you don't have to work or die fighting for them. What if you were told that you could be educated to a point that you cannot perceive at the moment. What if you were free of the drugs that you could communicate with your fellow man without the aid of technology. What if you could live for far longer than we can imagine, free of pain and illness.


I long for the day. A society where that which is "material" is knowledge itself. Where we live for that knowledge and coexistence. Where wealth is determined not by the amount of pieces of paper with numbers you have in the bank but by the amount of knowledge you possess. This is the true nature of the human. Our materialist society prevents this from ever happening though.


All these things are possible but not whilst we are kept in the material trap, physical and none physical things have been used to enslave our minds and therefore our natural progression. Haven't you noticed how people say that when they are away from all the normal trappings of life that they feel really free and empowered, does that not make you think?


Dude, you've really nailed it. I was a corporate guy for 9 years. My last company went under and I've since decided to not return to that world, and what an amazing transformation on my psyche- just my overall state of well being has completely changed, for the better. Remove stress from your life and you begin to see the "machine" for what it really is. Stress is a blinder, an inhibitor, it's a poison. It prevents us all from seeing the true picture and keeps us running the "rat race" -gotta get that cheese- just like they want us to do.

Keep the masses scared- Fear breeds stress which keeps us blinded. Who keeps us in this state- the media and governments-

Wars are just a part of the charade. I get it man.


[edit on 6-12-2008 by PhotonEffect]




posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 03:46 AM
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I think the "winners" will be those without biological/ nuclear weapons.
And those who are not near countries that have them.
Australia and New Zealand ftw.
Few hundred, thousand soldiers isn't a big threat compared to a big ugly mushroom cloud.



posted on Dec, 29 2008 @ 11:14 PM
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there cant be peace unless there is war.
look up to god.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 12:18 AM
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The winners may be those in the underground cities paid for at our expense and by their drug money. WWIII means the entire northern hemisphere will be devoid of life, down to the last bacteria, if even 10 nukes drop. This is the cartel's wet dream and they've been attempting this several times already. Their latest is with India/Pakistan. In reality, even if a nuke is heading your way, it is illegal to send one back. These are weapons of mass destruction that target civilians. Fight, yes, for peace in protests. We don't have much time.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 12:48 AM
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To be honest, no one would truly win.

A few very well prepared ppl might survive.

Russia is very well prepared at Yamantau:

Russian WW3 bunker for 60,000+

Russia has a stealth nuclear cruise missile I have mentioned on
this msg board before:

KH-102 - Stealth Nuclear Cruise Missile on planes, ships, and subs

It possibly has a range between 3,500km and 5,000km with a
likely yield up to 500Kt and it has TERCOM navigation so it can
come in terrain hugging and evasively.

For about a decade you'd have Global Nuclear Winter, temps dropping
about 45 - 60 degrees F on average in the Northern Hemisphere.

Nuclear Winter

Proof that nature can make nuclear winter of its own

Alpha and Beta particles would enter the food chain at all points around
the world, and ppl would die if they ate plants planted in contaminated
soil as far in the future as 20 - 25 years.

Only ppl that dug up soil under building, roads, etc etc and then
kept the contaminents out would make it for the long haul.

The dust in the air would have alpha and beta particles and would
enter your lungs and kill you if you did not have some type of
air filter or mask, etc etc, The half life is 30 years.

It would kill all animal life on earth.

We irradiate food now to kill bacteria in food, and thusly some
good needed bacteria on the earth would perish as well.

Some insects like the roach would survive, and a few others that
are very radiation resistant.

Only the government parasites in their underground bases will
make it thru unscathed.

Those on the surface will face something like a hybrid of Damnation Alley,
Mad Max, and The Day after Tomorrow.

UV radiation will be very high for years after the bombs too making
skin cancer much more prevelant.

If you live through doomsday you better get underground to ride
out the 2 weeks of global fallout, then you will need to wrap up
air tight in trash bags and duct tape or a environment suit with
gas mask to move around out in the radioactive arctic dust storms.

Rainfall will drop a lot so water will be a precious commodity.

Good Luck to you all !


[edit on 30-12-2008 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by spacevisitor
reply to post by PhotonEffect
 


"I do no not know how the Third World War will be fought, but I do know how the Fourth will: with sticks and stones."

Albert Einstein

[edit on 20/10/07 by spacevisitor]

[edit on 20/10/07 by spacevisitor]


Einstein was an optimist.

Only those who are underground and have the gear prepostioned
will make it through, and that is not guaranteed.

I cover it more in my prior post.

Nuclear Winter will last for ten years likely, and alpha and beta
particles in the food supply will kill anything that breaths it in,
drinks it in, or has the particles grow up into plant material
that eats it for 30 years.

The grass and trees near chernobyl are radioactive.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by mattifikation
reply to post by PhotonEffect
 


Unfortunately I don't remember where I read that. I do remember that what it said was that nuclear missiles might be the only way China can defeat the U.S. Navy, which it would absolutely have to do in order to beat us in a war.

I wish I could find a similar article :-(


Yes you are right, the missile is known as the Sunburn.

India has them too.

Very nasty missile.

A few cheap light fast ships with a few Sunburns, can't shoot them all
down and poof there goes your pricey carrier and the planes to the
bottom of the sea along with the crew.

Nasty but effective tactic.

China has a lot of small fast ships with several of those missiles on it.

Like I said in my other post, no one is going to win WW3.

All animal life dead, all plant life contaminated with alpha and beta
particles for decades.

The very air will have dust with alpha and beta particles.

Some very resilient ppl might make it through it, but only the government parasites in their bunkers will make it unscathed as plannned.


[edit on 30-12-2008 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by tombangelta

The next great battle we will face is the fight for Oil. Unless an alternative is found, oil is the ONLY catalyst for war amongst two nations such as The US and Russia.


We can grow oil, we just chose not to at this point:

100,000 gal per acre per yr in the Desert via Algae

We have other ways as well via Coskata and LS9, but we are
slow rolling them for various reasons.

Some of it is sure to do with Oil Exec greed, but time will tell
the end result of all that.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by dark_matter06
Once the North American Union happens we will have all the draftees we would ever need.


You are far more likely to have a civil war on your hands from
multiple directions.

Ohio unorganized militia openly warns of civil war in US senate

Aztlan Rising

There are some ppl who want to retake the SW United States
and rename it Aztlan and have used tax dollars to print books
for students that shows the SW United States as Aztlan.

Think about it for awhile...



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by FaxMachine
Greetings

It seems none of you posters have actual idea what would happen. I read many defense and strategy forums, where we concentrate in high tech weapons and strategy. I could bet 10.000€ that Russians would deliver more nukes that would land and intercept more than any other state.

1. Russian new nuclear missiles cannot be intercepted with any tech that us currently has (or near future).
2. Russian nuclear arsenal is mobile (trucks, trains etc..)
3. S-400 can intercept any nukes (ICBM too), with range of 500KM

Russians dont have enough S-400 to intercept all at the time, but reports are coming in that they will be teaming with China in manufacturing this system.

Sometimes American patriots are too blind and numb to research. Russia has 10 times better missile tech these days than USA, same goes with anti air systems and artillery (Nuke artillery is funny toy too).

There is much more to this, why i think Russia would "win". I wount be bothered to write more now, maybe later. If you want to know about these things, seek out military communities and discuss, you will be suprised.

my 2 cents

[edit on 21-10-2007 by FaxMachine]


Russia also has the Stealth Nuclear Cruise Missile the KH-102 and
its upgraded versions.

But to be honest you forget the US subs just sitting there waiting
for it all to begin.

Firing all 24 of their missiles that shoot high to the edge of space,
and then pop out their MIRV warheads that cannot be shot down.

So for EACH sub about 144 - 192 strikes happen, and to be honest
they could all just nuke the Sahara and the Global Fallout would
settle alpha and beta particles that would contaminate the soil
and water for 30 years.

All animal life dead on land or sea.

All useful bacteria in the soil dead.

200-300% higher UV radiation, skin cancer galore.

10 years of Nuclear Winter, 40 - 60 F colder on Avg Globally.

If you were not underground and had supplies to make it thru the
long haul your prolly dead too.

The government parasites in the bunkers that are ready for it will
be the ones that survive while the rest of us die.

I am ready for it to a degree, but all it will take is one mistake
with the long term alpha and beta particles and I am dead.

Good Luck to you all !



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by FaxMachine
Greetings

It seems none of you posters have actual idea what would happen. I read many defense and strategy forums, where we concentrate in high tech weapons and strategy. I could bet 10.000€ that Russians would deliver more nukes that would land and intercept more than any other state.

1. Russian new nuclear missiles cannot be intercepted with any tech that us currently has (or near future).
2. Russian nuclear arsenal is mobile (trucks, trains etc..)
3. S-400 can intercept any nukes (ICBM too), with range of 500KM

Russians dont have enough S-400 to intercept all at the time, but reports are coming in that they will be teaming with China in manufacturing this system.



Speaking of near future, Russia will have 200 S-400 by 2015...so I think you are overemphasizing them right now as a big factor.


I consider the KH-102 and its descendents the bigger threat.

Kh-102 - Stealth Nuclear Cruise Missile - 500Kt

With its TERCOM navigation system it will be very hard to knock them
all down as they will be launched from subs, ships, and planes and
fly up to 5,000km to their targets radar invisible.

The US subs thou could end the world all by themselves with all
their MIRV warheads.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by Niall197
Would the USA be on the winning side of WWIII ?

Despite all its military might, the USA was taught humility on September 11th by a few Arabs and three hijacked airliners. Have you any idea how crippling the paralysis would have been if the self same Arabs had detonated one crude nuclear device in NYC ? And how severe would be the US response ? It's beyond comprehension. But it's also within the realms of possibility. And some would say that scenario has more than a 50/50 chance of occurring within the next five years. So forget Russia, China & WWIII and concentrate on the present.

As the WOPR computer said at the end of the movie "Wargames", the only winning move in WWIII ... is not to play.



911 ?

Hehe, that was an inside job my friend.

They had all the air cover for the NE corridor doing war games far away
so they could not respond to the threat.

If you watch this movie which has not been discredited in one bit
it goes over all the details showing the enormous lies that have been
told to the entire world.

9/11 - Press for Truth - the lies from the leaders own mouths

If you watch all that and still believe that Al qaeda has the ability to
divert the NE air defense corridor then I got some swamp land to
sell you.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by mattifikation
The winners of WW3 will be the countries that didn't fight in it, and aren't near any countries that did.

I suspect Brazil and South Africa would eventually emerge as the next superpowers once the current nuclear powers were done utterly decimating each other. Assuming they were smart enough to stay out of it, that is.

Before trying to make predictions about who would be on who's side, look at what happened in WW1. Public alliances broke down and secret alliances emerged, which nobody predicted.


Only if those nations had a solution for the 30 years of alpha
and beta particle contamination that would spread around the world
and enter the food supply.

If they have a working plan for that, they would make it.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by bruxfain

The hostilities will take about 72 hours or so. I think that once all the secret alliances click in and everyone shows their true side, Cuba, Venezuela and Sudan will abandon Iran to its destruction. No nukes necessary.

After its over, America will be redeemed and everyone will apologize for the mean things they said to her.

[edit on 22-10-2007 by bruxfain]

[edit on 22-10-2007 by bruxfain]


I think you meant Syria instead of Sudan.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by mattifikation
reply to post by PhotonEffect
 


Unfortunately I don't remember where I read that. I do remember that what it said was that nuclear missiles might be the only way China can defeat the U.S. Navy, which it would absolutely have to do in order to beat us in a war.

I wish I could find a similar article :-(


They might defeat the top water navy, but the boomer subs running
quiet around the world would let go their missiles that will shoot high
up to the edge of space and tip over and spill their 100+ MIRV warheads,
and that my friends is the end of the world.

The MIRVs cannot be shot down once they start their gyroscopic
controlled gravity fall to their targets.

"Game over"

Russia and China likely have the same tech too.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by sinthia
There is no logical reason why nukes would not be ruled out. They've been used before and it only takes one country to start a nuclear attack for mutually assured destruction.

No doubt that the comedians who think that they are at the top of the tree feel that they have suitable protection in place for themselves.



Oh but they do:

WW3 Bunker for 60,000+ nears completion in Russia

They designed this thing to take 6 target on target direct hits from
nuclear weapons.

They really do think they are going to make it.

The US has some designed like that over here but for much less ppl.

Only the very top level ppl are going to be saved by the US
government and mostly the empty suits that just shuffle paper
on the hill and have no degrees in science or engineering that
truly matter.

At least the Russians obviously plan to save their top brain ppl.

Its all idiocy thou as what they earth will be like for 30 years.

In the past I have said they plan on doing it as a "big reset" to get
rid of all the common folk as we are starting to realize how corrupt
and worthless our leaders really are these days.

I have also thought they put their plans written in stone in plain site.

The Georgia Guidestones - NWO plan to kill 6.1 billion ?

I have no proof other than they also use that 500 million figure in their
'carrying capacity' quotes that are pimped by the committee of 300.

I find it very concerning the numbers line up.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 03:16 AM
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The Russians aren't a threat. The the U.S. military budget is greater than the combined military budget of every country on Earth. The U.S. military is dealing with Iraq and Afghanistan with "kids gloves" and you haven't seen anything close to what awaits the world should you pose a threat to our survival.

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I'd like you to read my other posts concerning Russia in this thread
and see if you still think that statement is true.

As a veteran of the US armed forces and a diligent researcher of
current technology let me assure you they have been busy making
some very nasty weapons and spreading them among their allies.

As Wall Street should inform you, just because you spend a lot on
something doesn't mean your getting what you think you are or
is it the best for you or the world.

The 100's of Trillions USD derivatives nightmare coming soon

Mainstream media confirmation of Derivatives nightmare

Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex before he left.

We are paying the most to be sure, but that will not hold the
stealth nuclear cruise missiles at bay, or the chinese sunburns.

Furthermore if this were to happen, the atmosphere would be
contaminated with alpha and beta partciles with a half life of 30 yrs.

No one will win, few will survive, and mostly those government
parasites in their bunkers paid for with the taxes of the sheep-slaves
that toiled for them for decades.

Truly sad.

Ppl have no idea of the giant turd sandwich that is heading our way.

I have been trying to change that on here.

Don't believe me fine, but visit the links and do your own research.

Get ready, it is coming.

Good Luck to you all !

[edit on 30-12-2008 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 03:27 AM
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reply to post by orangetom1999
 

You and Mushroom are very close to the point here.

Follow the creation of the Federal Reserve backwards,
the ppl involved, and you start to see who is still pulling
the puppet strings to this day.



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by PhotonEffect
reply to post by magicmushroom
 


So what's really going on then mushy? What's the reality that we're all not seeing?

Care to elaborate... enlighten us all a bit, please.


Empire of the Cities - The Ring of Power

3 obelisks in 3 cities

The Vatican, London, DC

The Vatican - monitoring all religion
London - monitoring all control of money
DC - The Enforcer



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 03:35 AM
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xeven, you don't know crap. Exactly what states would Cuba be capable of taking over in a few days?

Not Florida, Georgia, South or North Carolina, and certainly not Virginia.

Not Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, nor Louisiana, and for damn sure not Texas.

What states?





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