The whole point of this thing is a certain new member posted something so disgusting it made quite a few people sick, and they posted their thoughts accordingly...

Regardless of whether the numbers in said article are accurate, for a member to post such stuff is abhorrent...A lot of people seem to be missing this...The mods surely are...

The fact remains....At least 100 times iraqis have been killed as opposed to coalition soldiers....

And the whole point was to bring them democracy ? Give me a break...You mean FORCE democracy on them, and put another peg in place to guarantee US oil supplies for x number of years...

If you honestly believe anything else, you're so sorely mistaken it aint funny...

I am still completely amazed and shocked mods have chosen not to deal with a particular member on the first page of this thread...

It really does make one question the credibility of one mod in particular...

Cmon...Step up, dont put up with stuff like this guy posted...Somebody has to set standards here, and we look to mods to uphold the spirit of what this site is about...

Peace

Originally posted by Eclipse_Solar


...We gave them freedom, we sacrificed our soldiers to liberate their country...

You HAVE GOT to be kidding on this...

define FREEDOM please... because an occupied country (with almost a million dead) is not a free country.

And the americans soldiers were not sacrificed to liberate anything,.. they were sacrificed to make MONEY, and that's the true, no matter how blind one can be.

Peace

from wikipedia( i know it's not 100% right but it's close enough)

Iraq 2006 estimate ws 26,783.383 so if you believe this post that means after the deaths and the refugees left iraq they are down to around 20 millions. that's around 1/5 of the population. i think when the news or whoever shows pictures of iraq you could tell that 1/5 of the people are gone. That would be like america loosing 60 million people in a couple of years...i think one could tell.

I could careless if the stats are "biased" this is a war, right, like you're going to get a 'truth' from one place or another, tell me, what's a 'non-biased' site -- you're not there, what site would you believe and no offense to those that use it -- but Wiki is a government-sponsored program to give you convenient info without looking further, there's plenty of instances where it's known NOT to use that site for fact(s). I could update/edit it and tell you the sky is purple.

Judging from the body count figure from a site that's "credible" there HAS been up to 80,000 Iraqi civilian deaths, I know that's not a big deal to some people around here but on S11, I lived in Manhattan, and yeah it was awful to watch almost 3k die in front of me but I still haven't heard the end of it, sick of hearing about the day, it hasn't been proven who did it and I think it's time to move on from those conspiracies and onto ones like these where there are reporters/researchers who are getting their facts straight in the mid east.

"...and the clown in the flight suit is cracking jokes to the camera crew."


edit: great post, Lee. Yeah, it is about something else, they don't give a hoot about human life seemingly when you got that guy's nonsense which happened and we're hoping someone here does something about it; and the fact that others are hinting that it's about oil and not really having a problem w/ that, check their posts! OF COURSE it's about oil, even Bubble Greenspin said so in his useless book, an ex-General said so, uh, who else? Oh, Putin did too and looka who he stickin' up for. Yeah, Farsi!

[edit on 19-10-2007 by anhinga]

Originally posted by yahn goodey

one can only hope that the iraqis that are being killed deserve to die if they are trying to murder our troops and their fellow iraqis because of religious differences or just plainwell criminal intent.

Thanks for the post yahn goodey.

Very few people 'deserve' to die. People die in wars for the benefit and at the behest of their leaders who, for the most part, have political agendas that do not necessarily coincide with the well being or safety of the soldier, his family or his country.

We invaded Iraq because we wanted their oil, we wanted an excuse for partition and we needed a base for our attack on Iran.

Iraqis don't fight American because they hate Americans or our religion. They fight Americans because they want their country back and the Americans out. They did indeed have a serious probelm with Hussein but not near the problem they have now.

Iragis kill Americans because they know that we are really there, not for their benefit, but for the benefit of of Neocon agenda and Israel. (But I repeat myself.)

The religious aspect, Muslim vs. Christian while always contentious has been elevated to a 'worldwide threat of terrorism' which is a total fabrication of the truth. The intent of the fabricatin is to whip up frenzy against Muslims and provide a reason to attack Iraq.

Our military, loyal to our Commander in Chief has been caught in a web of lies and deceipt. They MUST obey the Commander in Chief but most know it is a total sham to justify a neocon political agenda which is outlined above.

the more the crazies die the less our troops should be getting murdered.i hope that by the time our troops are all brought home the only iraqis left are peace loving and sane.

The majority of Iraqis are peace loving and sane. They just want us to get out of their country.

You should know that we are spending of trillions of dollars to allegedly bring 'democracy' to Iraq while we don't even have a 'democracy' at home. At one time we had a Constitutional Republic but today we are one declaration away from a dictatorship.

And don't kid yourselves about any troops ever coming home. Our troops will be in Iraq way past the time the sun turns into an ice cube.

Thanks for your post, it was truly appreciated.

Ya know, I've watched this thread just spiral down in depravity and borderline personal shots. The topic was covered a few weeks ago and I believe it got just as heated and volatile as well.

What I have listened to from returning Veterans (I know quite a few, chances are, so do you) is that they are fighting an Army that wears NO uniform. They wear the same clothes as the non-combatants do. So, you are guarding a convoy and 10 Al Queda/Taliban start shooting AKs and RPGs. How do you pick them out from the guy just walking to the store or the mother who is in the wrong place at the wrong time? And there are a hundred innocent people walking by while the enemy combatants USE THIS TACTIC to keep the coalition troops blind to them. And where would you shoot? Well you wouldn't. Because you are at home. At your computer taking tallies from the internet and complaining loudly that they are doing it wrong.
I'm no fan of the war. I am a fan of the soldiers who go to foriegn shores and make sure we, as Americans, wake up tomorrow safe and sound.
I'm NO fan of George Bush and his kind of Politician. But, I think he's manipulated almost as much as we, the public, are.
You can armchair General all ya want, but, it still comes down to (at least now it does) to IRAQ and AFGANISTAN to decide how they want to live. Free to make their country the best they can and prove to us that they don't need us anymore...or as an occupied land under the authority of men with guns. Either ours or the radicals.
In my opinion, this is obvious.

Cuhail

WoW, Mr. Lear well said.
You're still crazy in mind of course, but it's that good kinda crazy.

- Lee

what is it with ya'll?
I said one stupid thing that came out wrong. It is not what 'I' believe, it was simply a metaphor.

You cant deny that the average American thinks more of all the dead soldiers that the dead Iraqis, that was what I meant.