The downed light poles at the Pentagon were staged in advance.

reply to post by 654321


I suggested long ago that P4T/CIT should write a book on accident investigation and reconstruction.

Their methods will revolutionize the science.

reply to post by cogburn


Yes well your irrelevant off-topic post dripping with sarcasm is not conducive to civil discussion and is therefore against forum rules.

In the mean time it's good to know that you agree that the theory presented in the OP is entirely plausible since you haven't been able to voice a single criticism!

reply to post by 654321


No, they have a number of independant and impartial eyewitness accounts which have yet to be shown to be false (and debunking by sticking your fingers in your ears and braying like a mule doesn't come close) indicating that the official story is a load of balooey, also indicating that there is no way that the flight could have come in on the official flightpath, therefore also indicating that there was nothing heading at a tractory that would hit these lightpoles, therefore leading to the very reasonable conclusion that the 'lightpole damage' was staged.

posted by Blue_Jay33
I do believe 9/11 was an inside job, but how do you account for cars that suddenly stopped because a broken lamp post was now blocking their path?

There is no evidence that any car stopped because a light pole was blocking its path. In fact the taxi and the light pole and its broken parts were left laying on the south bound Hwy 27 pavement for a long time. Cranes and construction equipment are on the scene.



There is not one single person who saw the light pole knocked into the taxi, not one single person who saw the light pole sticking out of the windshield, and not one single person who saw the light pole being removed from the windshield. Not one single photo or video of the light pole in the windshield.



Of course we do have the elderly Lloyde England who never could have lifted half of a 200+ pound light pole out of his windshield and over the hood, and he proved he was lying by changing his story.



And of course the Federal agents guarding the taxi, the light pole, and Lloyde England have refused to come forward and get trapped in a lie.



And there is no evidence whatsoever that Lloyde England was injured by shrapnel from the broken windshield; not even bandaids.

posted by almighty bob
reply to post by 654321

 

No, they have a number of independant and impartial eyewitness accounts which have yet to be shown to be false (and debunking by sticking your fingers in your ears and braying like a mule doesn't come close) indicating that the official story is a load of balooey, also indicating that there is no way that the flight could have come in on the official flightpath, therefore also indicating that there was nothing heading at a tractory that would hit these lightpoles, therefore leading to the very reasonable conclusion that the 'lightpole damage' was staged.

The government loyalists prefer to pretend that the 20+ real living eyewitnesses placing the real aircraft Over the Naval Annex do not exist. They stubborenly pretend that their precious 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY is not filled with hundreds of holes and is not steadily sinking out of sight into their quicksand quagmire which they have helped build themselves.

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
What's amazing is that he actually took the images 2 years ago in December 2006 yet the pole STILL remains on the side of the road and was even photographed by the google maps "street view" cam!

Google only recently published the "street view" in Arlington and it's an amazing resource.

This pole is right up the highway 1/3rd of a mile from Lloyde's location on 9/11 and less than a 1/4 mile from VDOT who is in charge of light pole maintenance and salvage.

The 9/11 poles planted in advance only needed to go unnoticed for a single night and as I said they could have easily been hidden off to the side on the shoulder like this before the event and pulled out to their final places shortly after the violent event during all the initial chaos while the Pentagon burned.

Easy schmeezy.

Thanks to a discussion on tezza's thread about media, govt., the cab, and the 1st light pole here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I noticed several interesting things about that VA court exhibit photo of Lloyde's cab and portions of one light pole laying on the road (in addition to the "Adobe Photoshop 7.0, Date modified: 2006:03:30 15:40:56" and the grossly over-exposed black and white photo).

After adjusting the gamma level to correct the over-exposure of the original found here:

VA court exhibit original

the result:

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1. There is at least one crane on the Pentagon grounds (as SPreston pointed out on the other thread).
2. There is no traffic on the road, just Lloyde's cab, parts of one light pole, and what appears to be some whitish debris (possibly like sawdust, very small leaves, or oil absorbent).
3. The Pentagon wedge has already collapsed when the photo of Lloyde's cab was taken (and much of the Pentagon fire appears to be out).
4. There is a group of people gathered at considerable distance from the scene of Lloyde's cab.
5. There may be a police car parked in the emergency lane down by this group of people in the southbound lanes (furthest from the Pentagon).
6. The white Saturn is not visible in this photo of Lloyde's cab (unlike several other photos).
7. There appears to be a lot of equipment on the Pentagon lawn (possibly fire trucks).
8. There may be an unmarked police car blocking the northbound lanes (closest to the Pentagon).
9. Lloyde in nowhere in this photo (unlike several others).

Now the questions- 1. When specifically was this photo taken?
2. Relative to the other photos of Lloyde's cab?
3. What is happening on the Pentagon lawn at this time?
4. What is going on with the group(s) of people far to the north of Lloyde's cab scene at the time this photo was taken?

Of course the photo metadata did not provide the camera's information to answer these questions.

Obviously nobody can know the exact tool that was used to fabricate the "pinch".

actually with forensic science we can tell exactly which tool was or was not used.

Originally posted by jprophet420
actually with forensic science we can tell exactly which tool was or was not used.

Does anyone know where the "lightpole evidence" went? To China, like much of the WTC steel? I would think that a forensic engineer or metallurgist would need to inspect the actual 5 light poles recovered near the Pentagon to even begin to draw any valid conclusions.

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The impossible flight path

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Citizen Investigation Team offers this compilation of independent verifiable evidence exposing the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon as a psychological black operation of deception.

NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT - SENSITIVE INFORMATION

Not if it was Over the Naval Annex it did not

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Oooops! Port engine underground according to

official Pentagon Building Performance Report

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[edit on 6/11/09 by SPreston]

Over at Unexplained Mysteries, a poster by the name of mrbusdriver quoted an excerpt from Craig Ranke's starter post in this thread:
[indent]But as a summary the possibly pre-damaged cab could have been towed or driven to it's spot where they partially blocked traffic and placed it. Minutes later feds rolled up and surrounded the area and completely blocked traffic.[/indent]

mrbusdriver responded by saying:
[indent]...and nobody noticed this? When specifically was this placed (while blocking traffic)? And do you "know" or simply "suspect" that those guys are really "feds"? (Though, in DC, practically everyone is a "Fed" in some sense of the term...). Witnesses? Surely many people would have noticed this being set up. Still seems incredible, and very, very risky.[/indent]

I must admit I'd like some suggestions as to how to respond to mrbusdriver...

Originally posted by SPreston

The government loyalists prefer to pretend that the 20+ real living eyewitnesses placing the real aircraft Over the Naval Annex do not exist. They stubborenly pretend that their precious 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY is not filled with hundreds of holes and is not steadily sinking out of sight into their quicksand quagmire which they have helped build themselves.

These guys also think there is a plane visible in the F.B.I released video .

reply to post by scott3x

When specifically was this placed (while blocking traffic)?

The Secret Service had total control of the area because pResident Dubya had left the day before and was due back that afternoon. The Secret Service can block off any route at any time and don't need to explain their reasons. There is evidence that the southbound Hwy 27 (on which the taxi and Lloyde were located) was periodically blocked off and the traffic routed around Columbia Pike past the Naval Annex.

During a detour around, the taxi could have been hauled in or driven in on Hwy 27 past the roadblock. To hide the broken windshield, a large piece of clear plastic or glass could have been placed across the hole. The prepared light pole could have been hidden behind the HOV lane wall.

The wall at the T in VDOT

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Regardless, not one single eyewitness has come forward to report the light pole striking the taxi, sticking out of the windshield, or being removed from the windshield. Nobody.

A lot of cars were driving north and south on Hwy 27. A lot of people got out of their vehicles. Yet not one single person reported the light pole in the taxi windshield. Nobody.

Since the actual aircraft has been proven flying Over the Naval Annex and North of the Citgo by verified reliable eyewitnesses on videotape who gave the same testimony to the Center for Military History back in 2001, then the aircraft could not possibly have knocked the light pole at the Hwy 27/Columbia Pike overpass into the taxi windshield. Therefore the light pole and taxicab must have been staged. Thus the reason why not one single eyewitness to the light pole through the windshield has stepped forward.

It makes more sense that the windshield was prepared beforehand elsewhere, and then moved to the staging area. Surely somebody would have seen a man beating a hole into a windshield on Hwy 27 in front of the Pentagon, with a club or baseball bat. The windshield obviously has multiple impact areas. Yet supposedly it was struck only once by the flying light pole, according to the official script.

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Lloyde England, a proven liar does not count as a reliable witness.


[edit on 7/27/09 by SPreston]

Originally posted by scott3x
I must admit I'd like some suggestions as to how to respond to mrbusdriver...

He's right we don't have proof they are feds.

I will concede that.

However it's not really relevant anyway.

They are clearly individuals who surrounded the scene and took control with calm authority while even sporting a clipboard!
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A more updated and thorough version of this thread is available in this FAQ:

How could the light poles and taxi cab scene have been staged in broad daylight?

But put yourself in the shoes of someone who might have seen them staging the scene during all the initial chaos while the Pentagon was burning immediately after the explosion.

Would you really think they were staging the scene? Why wouldn't it seem like they were simply taking control and helping out during the initial shock of the attack?

If you saw the guy above moving around a light pole with his tie on and clipboard would your first thought be that he was staging the scene?

Even if it was and you reported it to the FBI on that day or even days later what do you think would happen?

Obviously nothing would happen. There is virtually zero risk for them to stage this scene in their own backyard.

In fact staging the scene would be INFINITELY less conspicuous than a cab spinning out in the middle of the highway with a 40 foot long pole sticking out of its windshield.

Yet nobody claims they saw either and EVERYONE claims the plane was on the north side.

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT


If you saw the guy above moving around a light pole with his tie on and clipboard would your first thought be that he was staging the scene?

Wow!

No, unless I saw him toting a light pole on his back,

Originally posted by QweeQwa


Wow!

No, unless I saw him toting a light pole on his back,

Hilarious.

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT

They are clearly individuals who surrounded the scene and took control with calm authority while even sporting a clipboard!

"Sporting a clipboard"? What decade do you live in, dude!? Who runs around "sporting a clipboard" these days? What was he doing - checking off his "Fake Lightpole To-Do List" just before he gets to his Honey-Do list??

Just about everyone in DC has a Day planner - a book-style calendar that is almost mandatory equipment for all the meetings and conferences and such they are responsible for.

"Sporting a clipboard"....I'm surprised they aren't wearing a leisure suit and have a fu-manchu mustache to go along with their suede desert boots.

Its the 21st century, man.

And don't get me going on why someone who works in the Pentagon would likely be the sort of person who would "take control with calm authority" at the scene of a major disaster.

You guys crack me up.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by trebor451]

Originally posted by trebor451
And don't get me going on why someone who works in the Pentagon would likely be the sort of person who would "take control with calm authority" at the scene of a major disaster.

trebor, in your alleged 25 years working for the DOD, who do you think would take control of an alleged crime scene in front of the Pentagon?

Would the secret service and other assorted alphabet spook agents permit untrained civillians to block a highway in front of the Pentagon?

Neutral readers to the thread might wish to know that in this thread, trebor gave us a sample of his illogical thinking with this quote:

Originally posted by trebor451
I don't have to "prove" it because it happened.

Yep, that's right... trebor feels that there's no need to prove that the light pole hit the taxi because according to him, it happened.

Yet, trebor has been abandonded by the government that he has allegedly worked for over the past 25 years, as there isn't one official government report that states the light pole ever hit the taxi.

Nice try, trebor. Faith based claims can only get you so far...

Thanks Spreston and Craige Ranke; I have now linked your responses to mrbusdriver here:
www.unexplained-mysteries.com...

Also, I'd like to thank tezzajw for his counter to trebor's post.

posted by Craig Ranke CIT

They are clearly individuals who surrounded the scene and took control with calm authority while even sporting a clipboard!

posted by trebor451
"Sporting a clipboard"? What decade do you live in, dude!? Who runs around "sporting a clipboard" these days? What was he doing - checking off his "Fake Lightpole To-Do List" just before he gets to his Honey-Do list??

Just about everyone in DC has a Day planner - a book-style calendar that is almost mandatory equipment for all the meetings and conferences and such they are responsible for.

"Sporting a clipboard"....I'm surprised they aren't wearing a leisure suit and have a fu-manchu mustache to go along with their suede desert boots.

Its the 21st century, man.

And don't get me going on why someone who works in the Pentagon would likely be the sort of person who would "take control with calm authority" at the scene of a major disaster.

Geeze trebor, you have less time in Logic 101 than QweeQwa. The Secret Service ALREADY had total security over the Pentagon area for the President. How often do you think the Secret Service allows civilians to take over their security area?

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Those guys were standing around the taxi for a long time. There is no evidence that Pentagon police officers tried to run them off is there? Besides the photographer Jason Ingersoll running down the hill from the Naval Annex which the aircraft just flew over, there is no evidence that anybody approached the taxi is there? If these guys are not Secret Service, then where is the Secret Service with somebody encroaching on a crime scene within their security area?

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How many road travelers would get out of a car at a disaster area with a clipboard? If that is not a clipboard or writing tablet, then what is it? Why would he be carrying anything as he observed the action, unless he was security?

Maybe it was a set of instructions from the 9-11 planners because these light pole planting Federal bozos never could get it right at the practice sessions.

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