Let’s suppose for a moment that TPTB are indeed controlling the long term climate and water resources of the southeast through the use of spraying chemtrails. What could be the long term goals of the operation?

A) Population reduction? Perhaps biological agents such as e-coli and staph are used in chemtrail spray as a means of a double-blind method of culling a small amount of population…apparently the young and elderly. Perhaps this method of delivery wasn’t too reliable and therefore climate control was the next best thing (besides a genetically engineered avian flu).

B) Race wars? Perhaps climate control will be used to divide the population between the haves/have nots. In Atlanta, this would generally (but not entirely), divide the population according to race. Would FEMA step in and distribute water and food or would they disappear or be slow to respond as in Katrina. Perhaps the supplies they did distribute would be contaminated with something.

C) Social experiment? Perhaps they are “softening” the southeast area for a one-two punch. If the southeast were hit by a nuclear or “dirty” attack perhaps TPTB would want more casualties by reducing the populations’ water and food resources. Or perhaps they just want to see how a major urban area will deal with shortages.

D) Hurricane Reduction? The TPTB response to Katrina. This doesn’t make sense for the fact that chemtrails are sprayed in winter also.

E) Military branch divisions? Perhaps 911 was an inside job and splintered the services. Atlanta holds several Air Force bases. The Air Force controls the nukes- perhaps they’re not playing along with a long term goal of nuking Iran. Judging from some recent jet aircraft crashes in N.GA, the NAVY are the ones spraying chemtrails.

F) Economic collapse? The southeast holds a large manufacturing base- such as the carpet factories in Dalton which takes lots of water (like Shaw Industries). A lot of business is conducted in Atlanta and Birmingham. Perhaps TPTB are liquidating US assets to pave the way for the Euro or Amero.

G) Artificial global warming? Perhaps climate control is being used to raise awareness and concern for a man-made or false phenomenon. Maybe this is to enact more strict controls/laws/taxes over oil so that someone profits (like somebody from TX).


These are just the obvious talking points. I’m sure there are others. Just to play it safe, I urge everyone to store at least a small amount of food and water. Personally, I have measured what I can get by with on the consumption of drinking water. Three gallons/week per person is what I am comfortable with (just on drinking water- this does not take into account water for food preparation). For a family of three, a three month supply of water would be about 150 gallons. I urge everyone in the southeast to take this seriously and to store at least a small amount of drinking water before it is too late. This is not too preposterous because in my local newspaper (Friday, Oct 19 edition) an article states that in Grundy County, TN the local water utility may have as little as three days worth of water supply left in Laurel Lake (the district’s source of drinking water) according to a report issued by the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency….better safe than sorry.

Well, writing this stuff obviously does not explain it well, so I decided to make up a few graphics to try and better explain what I am saying. I am not much of an artist, so excuse the crudeness of the images, but hopefully a picture is worth a thousand words.

Holding patterns:


VOR’s creating grids and other patterns:


How one aircraft can be making a persistent contrail while others are not:


Why contrails can sometimes suddenly stop and restart:

The problem is, Zero Lift, that there is no evidence that such operations resulted in the creation of what are today called chemtrails - whilst the meteorological evidence shows that what are today called chemtrails are the result of well known atmospheric processes.

I see chemtrails everyday. Mostly in the evening or late afternoon. I don't know what they're spraying, but they're doing something. I just find it amazing when people say they don't see them, they're everywhere everyday.

Originally posted by Essan
The problem is, Zero Lift, that there is no evidence that such operations resulted in the creation of what are today called chemtrails - whilst the meteorological evidence shows that what are today called chemtrails are the result of well known atmospheric processes.

The problem with your logic is, that one (contrails) does rule out the existence of the other (chemtrails).

Are you implying that chemtrails do not exist, because contrails do?
If so, I don't think I need to point out the obvious logical fallacies in this line of thinking.
However, that is exactly how I read your statement.

So maybe I do.

Let's say that I am becoming convinced that cats exist, and that I am becoming further convinced that a specific kind of cat exists: a Calico cat.
You and others here then try to convince me that I am wrong, by talking about dogs.
You, and others here then launch into great detail about all manner and types of dogs, and studies of dogs as tho that addresses my original post.

Apples and oranges.

I mentioned it before, yet no one addressed the most obvious and striking signature of 'chemtrails' or whatever they are:

The very deliberate MOVEMENTS of these particular jets.
They are characterized by very singular traits:

1- They take no known flight paths. That is, they do NOT follow normal air traffic routes.

2- It is NEVER a single jet. Or even two. Or even three. This only occurs ONLY with tens of aircraft, I counted no less than 11 in a very short span of time, (20 -30 minutes) and missed several others since it was obvious they had recently left trails.

3- The odd flight patterns that are obviously connected by always less than 10-15 degrees. If it were a normal flight path, then the same route would be flown.

4- Each new jet usually lays down a trail that is about normally about 5-7 degrees from the previous one, suggesting that that the new pilot is well aware of where the previous pliot had just flown.

and finally, the clincher for me:

5- In no instance have I EVER observed these very striking flight patterns emitting a NORMAL contrail. In other words, every single instance of these peculiar flight patterns ARE accompanied by the mysterious "expanding contrail".
EVERY instance.
Show me a paper on that.

Originally posted by Essan
The problem is, Zero Lift, that there is no evidence that such operations resulted in the creation of what are today called chemtrails - whilst the meteorological evidence shows that what are today called chemtrails are the result of well known atmospheric processes.

I totally agree Essan.

There no evidence that such operations resulted in the creation of what are today called chemtrails - in fact, all the evidence (declassified Porton documents) points to the unarguable fact, that successful operational dissemination of BW agents is achieved at very much lower altitudes than those associated with 'chemtrails'. In fact, dissemination of BW agents at high altitude would be totally counter-productive as it would necessitate a vast (and totally unnecessary) increase of source material.



Above is a very rare photo of a UK aircraft conducting a BW 'attack' over the Bedfordshire area of England. As you can just make out, the aircraft - Canberra WH657 - is leaving a barely perceptable trail of BW simulants (killed Klebsiella aerogenes and live spores of Bacillus globigii).

As you can see - no 'chemtrails'.

Just a tiny little wisp of material which would have been invisible to viewers on the ground.




zero lift