Nationwide Revolt Against Dangerous Vaccines Accelerates, page 2
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reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 10:51 AM by otherhalf
reply to post by deadcatsrule



If I may ask, what is your personal opinion on people who do not vaccinate their children because of religious beliefs? Do you feel the government should step in anyway? And what about people who don't vaccinate their children for reasons other than religious beliefs or because they feel it will cause Autism? Is there any time, other than medical reasons, that it's acceptable to refuse vaccination without the government ordering you to do so or even taking your children away? And what reaction is considered "bad" enough to count as a medical reason for not vaccinating?

These questions aren't just for deadcatsrule, I would like to hear from everyone.


Edit to add a question.

[edit on 18-10-2007 by otherhalf]


reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 11:37 AM by Boondock78
Originally posted by otherhalf


If I may ask, what is your personal opinion on people who do not vaccinate their children because of religious beliefs?

Do you feel the government should step in anyway?

And what about people who don't vaccinate their children for reasons other than religious beliefs or because they feel it will cause Autism?

Is there any time, other than medical reasons, that it's acceptable to refuse vaccination without the government ordering you to do so or even taking your children away?

And what reaction is considered "bad" enough to count as a medical reason for not vaccinating?


as for MY personal opinion on people that do not do it for religious reasons, i think that is silly/stupid etc...that is MY PERSONAL opinion on it..nothing more silly, imo than doing something for 'religious reasons'...

the gov...i honestly don't know how to answer this...i need to think about it for a good long time.
people are free to worship as they wish. as dumb as i think it is for someone not to vaccinate their kid fo religious reasons, that is their choice. but at the same time, not vaccinating their kid is putting my child at risk.
i think the gov should be out of peoples lives as much as possible. rarely is gov intervention into the family unit good, imo.

what i don't like/understand/agree with is that people HAVE to have their kid vaccinated to enter school, UNLESS they check the religious box.
i don't get why they should be able to get by on this..
i, as an atheist vaccinated my child, but that said, why can i not click another box that says (enter choice words here) and have my kid be exempt as well?
i am trying to wrap my head around it.

for reasons other than religion? again, i think it should be up to the parents on how they vaccinate their kids but then we have the issue of kids not being vaccinated mingling with other kids...

i just have a lot of 'don't knows' i guess but those are my honest answers.

i have no answer for the last two.


reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 11:56 AM by DYepes
Well I definetly going to try and have this done before he goes to school.

Here is the infromation I have gathered for Florida exemptions.
www.vaclib.org...
www.know-vaccines.org...


I mean when the medicine being used has this waring:
The prescribing information on Vitamin K shot states that fatalities are an adverse reaction according to the Merck pharmaceutical package insert.
www.fda.gov...

"WARNING - INTRAVENOUS USE Severe reactions, including fatalities, have occurred during and immediately after the parenteral administration of AquaMEPHYTON® (Phytonadione)."
A conflict arises because my religious convictions are predicated on the belief that all life is sacred. God's commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill" applies to the practice of injection of carcinogenic substances that can kill.


Well, it is too late for that, thankfully my child did not die.

In any case, if you are an athiest, and depending on what state you live in, you can get an exemption based on philosophical grounds, and not religious. Me personally, I would rather get a philosophical exemption than a religious one, but then again I have no other choice, and doing so would not conflict with my beliefs anyhow.

[edit on 10/18/2007 by DYepes]


reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 12:17 PM by Long Lance
look, the issue is manyfold, the FDA (and similar alphabet soup organisations) do not appear to be honest after even casual research.

a prime example would be the banning of benign substances like
Tryptophan (click) or Stevia, while approving tons of synthetic drugs which lead to more deaths than you can possibly imagine.

enter Autism and brain damage:

it's (un?)fortunate that animal experiments go a long way towards establishing credibility of many 'kooky' vaccine sceptics,

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

add into the mix the recent problem with a HPV vaccine (Gardasil), which had already knocked more than 300 girls out cold shortly after introduction, see

www.news-medical.net...

According to NVIC's report, a majority of Gardasil adverse event reports to VAERS involved those who suffered fever, nausea, headache or pain; 14 percent were for syncopal episodes with or without neurological signs; and 8 percent experienced tingling, numbness and loss of sensation, facial paralysis or Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Although adverse event reports to VAERS do not prove causation, they can provide an early warning sign that a new vaccine may be causing health problems that could be important. For example, reports to VAERS of bowel blockage (intussusception) in babies following receipt of Merck's Rota Teq (rotavirus) vaccine prompted the FDA to issue a public warning to doctors and consumers on Feb. 13.

NVIC also found that there were several VAERS reports of HPV infection, genital warts and cervical lesions after Gardasil vaccination. It is unknown if the girls were infected with HPV before being vaccinated or if Gardasil failed to protect them. One case of HPV infection occurred in a 22-year-old girl who had participated in a Merck Gardasil trial in 2003 when she had shown "strong conversion to all 4 vaccine types" but "tested positive for high risk HPV" in 2006, according to the VAERS report.*
...


.. and you've got people wondering, obviously. especially the mention of 'neurological signs' will ring a few bells.

one thing is certain, though, givng shots to babies is negligent, at best. contrary to mainstream ideology there are frequent side effects AND vaccines aren't foolproof in terms of protection, because nothing is. the downside of the ideological firewall is of course a distinct lack of data (correct me if i'm wrong), especially trustworthy data... which, in a nutshell, means that you'll no longer die of, say, tetanus, at least statistically speaking, rather some fancy 'superbug', because you were vaccinated, weren't you?!

statistics, as we know are often used to convince people, for the simple reason that they require enormous effort in the data processing department, which laymen are unlikely to have - or better yet, were. today's tools make independant compilations viable, therefore breaking the monopoly in cases where data can be obtained, somehow.

haloboyle.blogspot.com...

the last resort would of course be to invalidate the results, which is partly justified, because, without peeking at the underlying set of raw data, there's no way to tell how accurate statistics really are, something which applies to both, professional and improvised samples, though.

PS: posting images for shock value does not make your argument any stronger, the same could be done with pics and videos of autists, both mean nothing to the discussion at hand, of course. perhaps, boycotting vaccines altogether is a knee-jerk reaction, maybe a more relaxed stance would have been preferrable, but people have no reason to blindly trust when their personal experience indicates that something is wrong. cases of babies dying after getting shots, or regressing, all the while screaming at the top of their lungs will be considered anecdotal, as long as noone really bothers to investigate, but then, these authorities claim to find no evidence that free oxygen (O3, H2O2, etc) is useful at _any_ concentration, mind you, depsite ample evidence dating back to WW1 to the contrary - for the record, oxygen does not react in pairs, so we all generate free oxygen at all times.


reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 12:34 PM by MajorMalfunction
reply to post by Unit541



I have a perfect right.

People in the modern world don't see this stuff anymore exactly BECAUSE we have vaccinations.

If people are going to tell others not to vaccinate their kids, then they have to show what happens if they don't.

Seems to me the pictures cut a little close to home. Seeing those children suffer is horrible, isn't it? Absolutely appalling.

And that's what people who say "don't vaccinate" want to do to children. Make them suffer, just like that.

If people are going to say something irresponsible and ignorant, it is my duty as a person who knows better to show them the truth.

I'm reading the Little House on the Prairie series to my daughter right now. One of the characters goes blind from scarlet fever. The whole family is debilitated to the point where they can barely feed themselves for months, and they would have died if a neighbor hadn't found them and alerted the traveling doctor.

We have it so good now, we don't have to watch our babies die of this anymore:



{edit to add: That's whooping cough, pertussis. Another completely preventable disease. I'd rather watch my baby have a low grade fever for 24 hours and then be fine, than go through this.}

I have MORE than the right to tell people about this -- it's my duty as a person who understands just what is at stake to do so.

Everybody who has had cancer has eaten bread! Bread must cause cancer!

Everybody who's ever breathed has died! Breathing must cause death!

I find it utterly amusing that when I deny ignorance and actually show people what happens when kids don't get vaccines, I'm told I don't have the right.

As a parent, I have the right. and you have the right to bury your head in the sand and not read my posts, and then watch your kids die or be crippled by something completely preventable.

[edit on 18-10-2007 by MajorMalfunction]



reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 12:55 PM by FreeThinkerIdealist
Originally posted by Boondock78
. but at the same time, not vaccinating their kid is putting my child at risk.



ok ... here is the million dollar question ...


how is someone not vaccinating their kid putting your kid at risk if you vaccinated them?


Are you saying the vaccinations don't work? If not, then it wouldn't matter any way. If they work, it doesn't matter if the other kid didn't have theirs ...


If it doesn't work, then, you are putting mercury in your child's veins for nothing. If mercury isn't that bad, then, why is that little drop of vapor from fluorescents so worrisome when one breaks?


I see a lot of contradictions.

Let me say this. I had no seizures prior to my vaccinations as a child ... shortly after I become epileptic. I was developing normal before the shots ... I changed after them ... showing signs of autism, and, I test positve for asperger's syndrome (a mild autism) in all the ones I take.

I don't care if you all don't see the correlation, I feel it personally. Though, I can say I never had smallpox or any other major disease ... never knew anyone who has.

If you are going to support vaccinations, at least VERIFY it DOES NOT have MERCURY ... for the sake of your child. If you must do it, pay the extra for clean shots. Otherwise, you can do nothing but blame yourself. You know about it now, so do what is right for the child. Don't be negligent because of a few extra dollars. Spend it to ensure you don't put poison into your child's veins.


See, I support your choice of giving them ... but NOT your apathy towards the mercury. What if it was trace amounts of lead ... cyanide ... uranium? What would it take for you to care?



I will probably never have kids, but, if I do, I will surely make sure to get vaccinations that contain no poisons ... if it cannot be verified, I will pass. I haven't heard of any outbreaks ... and there are plenty of people who don't do it. Amish aren't flooding the emergency rooms, neither are scientologists.


Protect your child from ALL harm. Don't casually accept it. What if they told you ... we can prevent your child from ever having AIDS ... all we have to do is cut out their tongue ... or a vaccine for cancer, but it just takes away their ability to question authority ... Well ... they can guarantee you child will never be emotionally hurt, just a simple procedure ... lobotomy.


I can't believe someone resorted to shock value photos. I don't think anyone argued on how horrible the diseases are. Makes you kind of sick to think the Europeans intentionally infected native americans with blankets laced with such a disease to kill them off.



So, to end it ... DON'T put mercury in your kid's veins ... they are worth the extra money for a quality vaccine ... and if someone chooses to not vaccinate ... well, hope their child never gets a disease ... but last I checked, there wasn't too many cases for quite some time in the states ... so not much to worry about.

and lastly ... let us all hope and/or pray that none of these diseases mutate because of the vaccinations ... for all is lost if so. It will be a major population reducing event with all certainty.


reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 01:03 PM by yahn goodey
reply to post by AcesInTheHole



i thought the fda was supposed to make sure all these drugs were safe------seems like they are doing a poor job of screening for side effects lately-----and that tazer thats supposed to be safe for normal people----they just killed another guy in canada last night with it thats 2- 40 year olds in 1 week-----------they've killed 17 people with it since 2002 in canada alone.i havent seen how many times its been fired at someone in anger------wouldnt supprise me if it was also 17 times .we are just a bunch of guini pigs.
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