Originally posted by johnlear
Sleeper, forgive jritzmann, he knows not what he says.
Oh, but he does! Both Lear and sleeper have this 1950s view of the nature of the solar system. It's as if Adamski were reincarnated and writing again, forgetting that time has passed and that we know a lot more about the nature of our solar system than we did when he first wrote. The similarities are so vast that it would take too long to cite them all here. Perhaps on my blog...
In the fifties we were entertained with science fiction stories from people like Ray Bradbury, who wrote The Martian Chronicles about Martian civilization, golden bees, and the city that tinkled. Unlike sleeper, Bradbury never presented his stories as fact. He knew they were fiction and presented them as such. They have withstood the test of time. They're still good stories. Highly recommended.
And in the fifties we also had the beginning of the 'extra-terrestrial contact movement' with Adamski, Bethurum, Fry, and others claiming they went on board flying saucers and traipsed about the solar system, landing on planets like Venus where they met beautiful women, particularly, and were greeted by advanced human civilizations. Bethurum is really my favorite. His lady love, with whom he was reportedly obsessed, was Aura Rhanes, a hot Latin-looking woman who had a full figure and was a flashy dresser. Adamski met absolutely beautiful women on his trips, too, from Saturn and Jupiter, especially.
sleeper has a more modern version of this. His beautiful woman has a mission. She's actually a 'sperm extractor' who periodically 'takes samples' for genetic experiments. sleeper can't resist her (and has said so. You HAVE read his blog, haven't you?) I can actually see this definition of "woman" given the inevitability of complying with her mission once in her arms. "You know you want to," she said to him. Of course, he complied. Might not you as well, particularly if you could claim coercion? It wasn't really your fault. She had a spell on you. Aliens can do that.
In any event sleeper has his imaginary friiend, Milton, kind of like the six foot tall rabbit named Harvey, who is also a repository of sorts, the being who tells us god-like how to live. And though he is a slippery devil of a guy who can't seem to show himself, his message is not all that bad, is it? Aren't his admonitions on how to live life mostly reasonable?
We have both Lear and sleeper insisting that the other planets all have atmospheres and human civilizations, even the gas giants. When it is pointed out that our probes, landers, and cameras say otherwise we are told it is all a big government/NASA conspiracy. There are a few credulous people who will jump on board immediately with this sort of 'information,' but most will find it laughable. In any case, you can see why Lear and sleeper have an affinity for one another.
The issue of both Lear and sleeper on ATS is a really slippery one. Given the site's motto of "Deny Ignorance," one wonders why they are tolerated. The only way to explain the situation is to throw out the motto and look at the reality. We've had other people show up here, claim landing lights were aliens from space, and be summarily banned for perpetraing a hoax in hopes of selling DVDs. Here's an example. These two cases are so similar that it appears to be splitting hairs to claim they are different. Alas, they are. sleeper is quite careful to NEVER claim something that can be disproved. His facts are far too slippery for that, taking refuge in telepathic conversation and shadowy appearances. It's very much like the Nigerian 419 scam. Once someone bites on the possibility of millions, they are drawn slowly closer to paying the fees, but the money, like Milton, never quite appears. You can paint a portrait of Harvey, but only one guy can actually see him.
Lear is similar in his approach. He NEVER insists that his outlandish theories are reality. It's his BELIEF that they are. That's a pretty strong word to hide behind, but not all that unusual, is it? And where sleeper loses his temper now and again, Lear is almost always polite and respectful, the avuncular elder statesman secure in his fantasyland reality, lovingly tolerating us mere mortals from a lofty height. Thus, in a backhanded way, T&C are met; moderators are supportive of both, and the conversation continues: Five points for every reply, negative or positive.
And isn't that the real point here? A lively conversation attracts attention. Attention drives up the numbers. Just click on the items below: Demographics, Statistics, Media Kit, About. It's no secret; it should be obvious. Traffic. Numbers. Buzz. Millions and millions of hits, visitors, media attention. (The statistics don't hold up to analysis, by the way, but that's perhaps fodder for another thread.) If the site actually did 'deny ignorance,' it wouldn't have nearly the traffic it does. Although ATS would like to see itself with a reputation as good as a peer-reviewed academic journal like Nature, ATS is in fact the internet equivalent to The National Enquirer, uh, in my humble opinion. Once you realize that's where you are, in the supermarket checkout line drawn to lurid tabloid headlines that have about as much connection to reality as Michael Jackson or Tom Cruise, then the silliness and contradictory nature of the site is easier to take.
The foregoing is just my opinion and belief. I do not insist upon it as reality. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibted by law. Thank you so much for your post. It is much appreciated. My take on the nature of reality is probably not true. You may have other rights that vary from state to state so this disclaimer may not apply to you.
[edit on 10/18/2007 by schuyler]