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Topic started on 17-10-2007 @ 04:44 AM by budski

Obesity 'not individuals' fault'


news.bbc.co.uk
Individuals can no longer be held responsible for obesity so government must act to stop Britain "sleepwalking" into a crisis, a report has concluded.

The largest ever UK study into obesity, backed by government and compiled by 250 experts, said excess weight was now the norm in our "obesogenic" society.
Obesity, the authors concluded, was an inevitable consequence of a society in which energy-dense, cheap foods, labour-saving devices, motorised transport and sedentary work were rife.
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reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 05:21 AM by dawnstar
but at the same time..

at least here in the US, the government could help alot by just making a few changes as to what foods they chose to subsidize...
fresh friuts and vegatables, ya know those healthy foods...the farmers don't get subsidies for growing those, and the prices are really getting rediculous and the quality is going down fast.
they do subsidize the beef, the corn, the pork.....they seem to subsidize the things that are now unhealthy for us...

they subsidize corn and well, this had made corn very cheap. cheap enough that the manufacturers have been using corn syrup to sweeten everything.....I mean, it's in everything. the problem comes in when the body tries to digest the stuff, can't, and ends up storing it in fat tissue, thus people get fat.

there seems to be a tendancy to preach personal responsibility to death. we should be financially responsible, we should be responsible healthwise...

but, well, that's where the preaching ends, with the individual. meanwhile, over half of our apple juice is being shipped into the country in concentrate form from places like india and CHINA. My husband's been a trucker on and off for years. he's carried fruit concentrate to one of the big juice manufacturers right into the heart of one of NY's biggest areas for apple growing...
the reason he was told was that the company would lose the gov't handout if a certain percentage of their juice wasn't made from imported ingredients.
so, the company is being paid by our government for importing juice concentrate from countries that don't adhere to any environmental rules...who knows maybe the soil the apples are being grown in is contaminated with all those things that we have decided pose a danger to us.

but, of course, it all comes back to "personal responsibility"...

the companies would prefer to take profit over our health any day of the week.
the government would prefer to take their campaign contributions over the health of the people any day of the week...
and then they sit and tell us....we're responsible??


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 05:40 AM by budski
reply to post by dawnstar



Well, yes we are, at least here in the UK.
OK, I'm lucky in that I live in a rural area, where local produce is reasonably cheap - cheaper than the supermarkets.

I don't believe that eating a big mac meal is cheaper than buying fresh produce and making a healthy meal at home, in fact I know it's not.
Or any other fast food chain for that matter.
If you go to a supermarket, you can find plenty of healthy food at a reasonable price, saying that people don't have time is a cop out - if they have time to sit in front of the tv, they have time to make a meal - it takes 30 minutes max.


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 06:10 AM by bodrul
reply to post by budski



sa basicaly all those fat people out there that stuff their face in with fast food can now blame someone else.
this countries gone bonkers, we are getting retarded rules and views daily now,


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 06:20 AM by tetsujin420
Originally posted by Beachcoma

If you come from a family whose members have a tendency to become overweight, PUT THE HAMBURGER DOWN!

this? Another scapegoat to diminish individual responsibility



Absolutly! Brovo! People have lost all sence of "self control" and "will power". It sickens me! I found that it really is NOT THAT HARD to lose those extra pounds, it realy is as simple as Beachcoma put it "Put the hamburger down".

p.s. sorry I screwed up the quote thinggy, my bad 'yall!

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reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 06:24 AM by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by budski



Trust me. As a vegan with a prodominately raw diet... It's INCREDIBLY more expensive to buy quality ingredients for your meals than it is to buy into fast food. The price of produce is outrageous in the states. We're talking $1.19 per lemon here or $.89 for a lime. They gouge the prices as they do other staple foods like milk and eggs. You should see the difference in price compared to organic items and conventional. Boggles the mind.


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 06:27 AM by bodrul
reply to post by DeadFlagBlues



just curious
to everyone thats saying everything is over priced
ever thought about growing some of these in your garden?
Lemons,Apples,Cabbage,lettice and so on easy to grow


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 06:33 AM by Boondock78
reply to post by DeadFlagBlues



i do agree with this...i think you could eat a 'filling' meal(that don't mean best for your health) from mcnasty for cheaper than you could cook a decent, healthy meal.
food is insanely expensive...i complain about it every time we go to the store.
the more healthy stuff you try to buy, the more it costs too.

i don't get too crazy with our diet but we buy ground turkey or lean meat, we try to by fat free and reduced sodium items and they are more expensive.

i can definately see/understand people that eat fast food often..that said, the blame still lays with them.
even if you're going to mcnasty, they have salad. they have grilled chicken sammy's.

not great but better than a mcheart attack you know


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 06:55 AM by budski
reply to post by dbates



Well, I've said this before - I can make a tasty nutritious stew with fresh produce, which will break down into 5 meal sized portions for just over £5.
Freeze it, take it out when youu want some, re-heat and hey presto.
Same goes for curries, pasta sauces etc.

It's a myth that fast food is cheaper - it's not. It's about time, and most people would rather sit in front of the TV after work than spend 30 minutes making something fresh.

BTW mcsalads contain MORE sugar than mcmeals, and nearly as many calories.

On the other side of the coin, some people really struggle with weight and have a constant battle to keep it down - not all overweight people are lazy slobs, but there is a proportion of people where it is self inflicted.

I posted a link to a thread in the OP where you can read about members who have this trouble.


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 07:00 AM by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by bodrul



My family has an orchard and we grow, tomato, yellow squash, corn, zuccini, sometime lettuce depending on if they go that far. We have all types of fruit. Apricots, apples, peaches, cherries, etc...I'm in Utah so we have a very short growth season and a very harsh winter. The prices here for organic vegetables are out of control!


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 07:03 AM by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by dbates



I've also done my own local factoring and it's no where near cost effective for a full sized family to eat from scratch. Not even close. Especially when you consider the shelf life of vegetables and fruits.


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 07:07 AM by DeadFlagBlues
reply to post by budski



There is a good point too about freezing foods and what not. I'm coming from a bias because I eat raw. Try to stay away from cooked or even frozen foods. You definitely have a good point about hot meals. I didn't even think of that because I haven't eaten that way in so long. You can make a huge curry for 5-10 dollars that will last you intermittently throughout the week.

I concede your point.
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