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Let not the vain speeches of any trouble you who pervert the truth,
that they may draw you aside from the truth that I teach.
Paul to the Laodiceans
The initial observation to be made is this: the popular forms of christianity we now have do not require indeed do not even permit Jesus to indorse them. Creedialism is a religion that supersedes Jesus, replaces him,or perhaps displaces him with a mythology that depends on nothing he said or did with the possible exception of his death.
Robt. W. Funk. 1996. Honest to Jesus. Polebridge Press, Harper. San Francisco. 352pp.
Fear prophets and those prepared to die for the truth, for as a rule they make many others die with them, often before them, at times instead of them.
Umberto Eco. 1983. The Name of the Rose. Harcourt. 512pp
"It has served us well, this myth of Christ"
Pope Leo X
[ because of his] power and his ignorance [and his arrogance]
he said..., " It is I who am God; there is none [other apart from
me]." When he said this he sinned against [the Entirety]. And
a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power,
saying, " You are mistaken, Samael," which means " god of the blind"
Hypostasis of the Arcons
... he boasted continually, saying to (the angels)... I am God, no other
one exists except me." But When he said these things, he sinned
against all of the immortal ones... when Faithsaw the impiety of the chief ruler,
she was angry.... she said, "You err, Samael (blind god)." An enlightened,
immortal humanity exists before you.
On the Origin of the World
in his madness ... he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me,"
for he is ignorant of ... the place from which he had come.... And when he saw
the creation which surrounds him and the multitudes of angels around him
which had come forth from him, he said to them, " I am a jealous God, and there
is no other God beside me." But by announcing this he indicated to the angels that another God does exist; for if there were no other one, of whom would he be jealous?
Elaine Pagels. 1979. The Gnostic Gospels. Vintage Books. 224pp. quoting the "Secret Book of John"
Originally posted by Ycon
since the only Light appears=Lucifer, then Paul saw and was stimulated by this Lucifer deception.
as the illuminated light hint might also reveal where the story of Paul comes from.
Originally posted by Savonarola
Therefore, Ycon, you have corrupted this verse of our Lord (you have lied) and you have taught your lie to others (the readers of this board). Therefore, you are not worthy of the kingdom.
Originally posted by Al Davison
Further, this writer makes no claims of representation of any group, now or in the future,
Originally posted by Nygdan
I very much doubt that what happens on this board is going to affect anyone's salvation. Regardless, keep the discussion about the topic, not about other members personally.
And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
16 And charged them that they should not make him known:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Paul is worth listening to. Consider:
You said, " (Matt 5:19)" Whoever breaks one of the least of the commandment and teaches men, so shall be called the least in the Kingdom." "
But the real verse is written thusly:
What is truly meant by this verse is that, any God-fearing man who knows the commandments, yet breaks the least of these - say the 'least' is adultery - and encourages adultery in others, is least in the kingdom.
Ycon (fitting name), if these words don't persuade you to the truth that even Saul, an assassin and a wretch of a man, can be saved, perhaps you might re-read the parables Christ of to this end. Recall, in particular, the parables of the lost lamb that the shepard rescued and the prodigal son returned to his father. Remember how the shepard and the father rejoiced when the lamb and the son were saved.
Originally posted by theBLESSINGofVISION
His post was from 2002.
"It has served us well, this myth of Christ."
(sometimes miquoted as "How profitable this fable of Christ has been to us.")
Widely quoted without source on the Internet. From a satire by John Bale (1495-1563), The Pageant of the Popes: "For on a time when a cardinall Bembus did move a question out of the Gospell, the Pope gave him a very contemptuouse aunswere saiying: All ages can testifie enough howe profitable that fable of Christe hath ben to us and our companie."
wikiquote entry on Pope Leo X
May God Guide You to Truth,