Why didn't more Christians respond to Dave & Johnny's REQUEST?, page 1
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reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 10:31 PM by uberarcanist
reply to post by Xtrozero



I disagree. As long as we stay out of the pointless "prove-it/disprove-it" debate, I think there's a lot to be gained by discussing religion. Does paleocontact or paranormal phenomenon have anything to do with religion, for example.


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 12:34 AM by Sekhemet
Originally posted by Xtrozero

Just as the person with faith can not prove the existence of god the atheist can not disprove it either.


Nobody is really defining what God is at the end of the day. It can be proved depending on how you define it.


The All is the All.. if Christians say God is the All then God IS everything... yet they will deny that God can possibly be in my monitor or my wall or my clothes or.......... every-thing......... but if God is The All thats exactly what is the case.. otherwise he isnt all 3 omnis.

Thing is the bible God is not The All. cause no one God being can be The all. Its nuts to think one can be... all they can do is merely represent The All.

Now... everyone wants to be able to prove God exists...... well if you read the above and agree then you can see the proof of God around you in everything? you know full well THE ALL EXISTS or else nothing would be here!... so accept the fact this ALL has laws, and any GOD being representing it is under the control of those laws too... so even GOD, some being or beings who created mankind, is not more powerful than The All. SOURCE of all that is.

But if your looking for this one elusive being who flew about in the bible in some crafts or spirit form and spoke to prophets who wrote scriptures......... thats where it all gets messy... because thats always been the case, and we still have wars over whos God is God! people want to put a face to God.. thats why there is Jesus, or Horus, or Haile Selasse or whoever else.... people dont know what God looks like yet he must look like a man if we are created in his image and likeness....... and it all ends up with 'man worship' and forgetting the teachings and 'spiritual science!' which was as Jesus said,

''Is it not written in your law I said YOU ARE gODS ... and children of the most high.. but you will die like men. [ Jesus psalm 82.6 ]


According to the bible a day to 'God' is 1000 years to us, that suggests 'God' the bible being was probably on a planet at x distance which shouldn't be too hard for scientists and maths heads to figure out.

Mankind is on the verge of cloning, terraforming other planets, playing Gods... history repeats itself over and over and we get a mixup of creational stories, myths, but it doesnt mean there are no supernatural beings and a 'most high' benevolent race.


All is one anyway. ME = WE... [flip mode your brains] it maybe an illusion right now but quantum physics backs it up, all is connected on the subatomic planes.. all is returning to source and we either go mad returning anaylsing nittty gritty ancient pointless outdated facts or we get with it and chillout and see the bigger picture (with the RIGHT brain..)


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 12:47 AM by Jovialjon
reply to post by TheDuckster


I'm new to the site. Hopefully this will get to the person who seeks proof of God.
All Intelligence that we put into books and pride ourselves wonderfully on comes from the discoveries in the Earth and sky. The word discovery means to uncover what is hidden in nature. These discoveries were not of our own creation. It did take a great amount of what we call intelligence to record and itemize what we found that was hidden. To make a long story short, and believe me I could expound greatly on the subject, If it takes intelligence to interpret what exists what in the world makes you think intelligence is not behind it all?
I want to add a bit here for the listening ear. Justice and Love are the standard by which our measure is taken. It matters not what the laws of humanity via the governments say. Justice and truth will prevail or there be no God. If you choose chaos, or self justice you are in danger of rejection by the God you think may or may not be there. Your life is at stake. Choose well my frind and brother/sister. Fellow traveler in time and space. JOHN



reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 03:32 PM by TheDuckster
maybe it is this type of attitude that keeps Christians way. Maybe they don't feel their is anything to gain from"debating" with your type.


For the record...I'm spiritual. Not agnostic, not atheist, nor religeous.

As far as debating with 'my type', I welcome any and all challenges.
This contributes to my growth as well!

Maybe they feel there would be alot of sacrilige talk and disrespect towards things they hold sacred?


Perhaps.

Should those, whose beliefs come under attack, always cringe whenever their viewpoints are scutinized against, must then look inward and realize how strong their faith is in the first place.

When believers make mistakes (like everyone else), do we get demoted to 'non-believer' status? Nope. Stumbling blocks serve to strengthen us.

I believe that to be the same with real Christians - not the 'fly-by-night' ones who don't practice what they preach.

As far as Christians, believers, et al, I think the majority of us are likened to the 'scare-crow' affect - up on a block, only to be shot down.

Shooting duck gallery. That's my opinion only.

Don't ge me wrong, from treking around the boards, I've seen some very civil-minded and well behaved non-believers.

They bring a breath of fresh air to the table.

It's these people, that I enjoy talking with, as well as the Christian non bible thumpers.

That's what a 'healthy' discussion is all about.

I chose my opening topic; not to stir up and rile the believers, but to 'flush' them out of the bushes, that I think they 'might' be hiding in.

I'm happy to see a number of you contributing to this thread, and thank you kindly.

~Ducky~




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reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 05:42 PM by camain
I recently came up with my own idea about God and the Universe. I would consider myself a sarcastic agnostic. That being said here is my theory: A species(we can call it "Man" if you want becomes so advanced that eventually it creates the ability to time travel. This being said, future man, which for practical purposes we shall call "Homo-Superior" takes some of its technology and goes back to early Earth. He creates an ozone, and the conditions for life to exist, he then moves forward in time to a good point where most large predators are extinct, and modifies the DNA of one of our ancestors/and theres, to make "homo erectus" This being said he again jumped forward again to see how things were going. At this time it noticed that man was horrible diverging from his time line, and therefore realized that something drastic needed to be done. HE therefore decreased the ozone, and increased greenhouse gases causing the temperature t o warm drastically causing the first flood, which destroyed the early civilizations. This is why you here stories of Atlantis, Noah and the flood, etc. This being said he jumped ahead again, don't know when he'll show up, but then all the descendants of Abraham will view him as the messiah.

This all being said, Since advanced technology is necessary in order for us to eventually exist, it becomes necessary for us to form a church that can actually establish the necessary technologies in the futures. Therefore, I would like to introduce you all the my faith: The Church of GOD 3000. I am the Epop, head if you will the church. If you would like to join my church just send a $10 donation to my paypal account. If you sign up 5 members underneath you, you then become eligable to become a deacon in the Church. With a small donation of $100 I will send you documentation showing that you are a deacon in the church. If you sign up 5 deacons underneath you, you then become eligable to become a priest in the church, and establish you own church where you can collect tithe. Upon recieving the $500 registration fee, I will then submit the paperwork to establish your terrritory for exclusive recruiting for the chuch. At this point, if you sign up 5 priests into the church, you shall then automatically be promoted to Cardinal, where you are responsible for overseeing the priests in your region, as well as forwarding 80% of all tithe on to the arch cardinal for investment on technology. Once you sign up 5 cardinals, I shall then appoint you as an arch cardinal, in charge of overseeing the cardinals in your division, and forwarding 75% of all tithe on to the epop. Every 50 years or upon the death of the current epop, The arch cardinals shall meet, and elect a new epop from there group.

I wish you all luck in this, and look forward to hearing from you for discussion.

I think this theory is very possible for the simple reason that if no proof currently exists, its because the proof hasn't been created yet. As its all done in the future. Additionally, this would explain several biblical concepts such as Angels"homo Superiors", The immaculate conception "artifical insemination", and the star that lead the wise men to bethleham "ever check out a helicopter in the city". Additionally, this assists with previous evidence god currently in existance, namely the bible, as well as the rock formations.

Cheers to all on discussing this, and if interested in giving donations U2U me.

Camain


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 06:13 PM by uberarcanist
reply to post by camain



Wow. I don't necessarily believe all that-too much inherent contradictions in time travel for me, but a certainly well thought-out belief system.


reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 06:41 PM by Siren
reply to post by TheDuckster



The debate will probably go on forever. It is useless. For it is written "the just will live by faith". If a person believes the words of Jesus and tries to love their neighbor as theirself, why would anyone say "hogwash", and why would anyone put stop signs in front of love. If you are against the testimony of Jesus, His message and His saving grace what do you stand for?

With all of the religions in the world, why must Christians be the only group that has to prove why they believe.

en.wikipedia.org...

Prove then, why you think your mind is superior?



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