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Northwest Passage




Topic started on 16-10-2007 @ 09:30 AM by johnb


Now that this has been succesfully navigated by the Canadian Coastguard in the Amundsen thereby enhancing the Canadian claims for sovereignty.

So let the arguing begin as this has huge economic impacts as it takes 1000's of miles off the trade routes between Europe and Japan/China.

I believe the US is already claiming they are international waters.



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reply posted on 21-10-2007 @ 03:27 AM by Arcticnull


I"m really 100% sure what your question is with regard to the Northwest Passage.

There have been continous land claims made other Northern nations in many parts of the Arctic. The U.N. was even involved in land claims as to who owns what and where.

The future of the Northwest passage is going to be in debate for a long period of time.

The Unitied States is going to try to exploit if for the vast under water oil depostis that are in the acrtic.

Candad will continue to reap the rewards of it's current diamond mineing in the region. Further to that the creation of a naval base in the arctic is already in the planning stages to futhre assert our hold on the region.

Russia has already started to map the ocean floor trying to justify that they own areas of the passage and make claims that an under water mountain range directly connects the passage to Russia.

If the OP would like to post a reply or add more detial to their initial question I would really like to see some more indepth discussion on this matter.

Thank you all for your time,

Arcticnull



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reply posted on 19-3-2008 @ 10:16 AM by masqua


image source: http://multimedia.thestar.com/images/99/01/85323aa3461392fe26b0f79e5c93.jpeg


As the Arctic ice sheet diminshes, the dream of a Northwest Passage is becoming more and more of a reality. What could this mean to Canada, and, by extension, America? Certainly, the US state of Alaska is already there, but it is isolated, cut off from mainland USA by British Columbia and Alberta. Goods and services must either be flown or shipped by sea, or travel through Canadian territory.

Canada, though, has the potential to connect new arctic ports to the United States and Central America via rail and road links. These ports are well into the planning stages as Canada eyes the economic potential of new ice-free shipping routes.

There are also military concerns, which, due to contention over arctic sovereignty, have come to the forefront in political circles.


Background information

military implications


On 10 August 2007, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced that the Canadian Forces would develop a new deepwater port at Nanisivik, on Baffin Island and a northern army training base at Resolute. Both of these bases are located at strategic points along the Northwest Passage. This is a sea lane that Canada claims as an interior waterway, but which other nations – the US, Japan, and the members of the EU – regard as an international sea route available for use by any sea-going nation.

www.sfu.ca...


Economic implications


The economic implications of this dispute are obvious. Global warming has resulted in this water way becoming navigable for longer and longer periods each year. Instead of travelling through the Panama or Suez Canals, ships could travel along the edge of the Arctic Ocean. The time, cost, and distance of sailing from Europe to Asia would be significantly reduced. If Canada can make the case that the Northwest Passage is an internal waterway, all ships travelling this route would be required to pay transit fees similar to those paid for passage through Panama and Suez Canals – currently those fees fall into the range of $ 2 to 4 billion per year.

www.sfu.ca...


The Primary Contenders;

Canada



Military planning documents, obtained through an Access to Information request, outline plans for a $60-million conversion of the old Nanisivik Mine, which closed in 2002, into a Canadian naval station.

An army training centre is expected to be located in Resolute, Nunavut, one of Canada's most northern communities, sitting on the shores of the disputed Northwest Passage. The international strait remains free to all navigation, although Canada claims ownership over the much-coveted waterway and shipping route.

www.cbc.ca...


Russia



One of the main struggles will be over the 1,800-kilometre-long Lomonosov Ridge between Siberia and Canada's Ellesmere Island. Russia believes the ridge belongs to it, and therefore so does the North Pole. Its dramatic submarine dive in the Arctic this month, the first to reach the polar sea bottom and carried out by Russian scientists, was to "prove" that fact.
www.thestar.com...


Denmark


The island is barren and steep-sided. No-one lives there. No-one except scientific parties ever have. The question one is inclined to ask is not, "Who owns it?" but rather, "Who would want it?" But this island is different from other interruptions in the surface of the Arctic sea. This is Hans Island, two square kilometers of rock situated at 80° 49' N and 66° 26' W, smack-dab in the middle of Kennedy Channel, mid-way between Ellesmere Island and Greenland. It has become the focus of a bizarre border dispute between Canada and Denmark, an issue that has simmered for three decades and finally boiled over in 2005.

www.canadiangeographic.ca...



Personally, I believe Canada needs to take advantage of the potential by firmly positioning a military presence in the high arctic and finalizing agreements with Denmark and Russia. Diplomacy is key and treaties need to be worked out and signed immediately.




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reply posted on 20-3-2008 @ 05:47 PM by masqua


image source: http://images.spaceref.com/news/radarsat.2.jpg



RADARSAT-2 is the product of a unique public-private sector partnership. This partnership is leveraging Canada's renowned leadership in the development, operation and marketing of advanced and highly specialized remote-sensing technologies and applications.

www.spaceref.ca...


The public/private bit is important.


Ruling on sale of Radarsat-2, Canadarm to U.S. arms maker delayed

The federal government is taking an extra 30 days before it makes a decision on the controversial proposed sale of the Radarsat-2 and the Canadarm technology to a U.S.-based arms maker.

Industry Minister Jim Prentice informed U.S.-based weapons and rocket manufacturer Alliant Techsystems, or ATK, on Thursday that he wouldn't meet the Saturday deadline to approve or reject the company's plan to acquire the satellite and space businesses of Richmond, B.C.,-based MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates Ltd., or MDA.


Prentice had until Saturday to review the $1.3-billion deal under rules of the Investment Canada Act.

www.cbc.ca...



Hmmm... the best resource we have to keep our eyes on the Arctic is potentially to be sold to an American Arms manufacturer. What is going on here?


Critics of the sale, including former Canadian Space Agency head Marc Garneau, had called on Prentice to block the deal, arguing it handed over taxpayer-funded technology and, in the case of Radarsat-2, gave away technology designed to protect Canada's sovereignty

www.cbc.ca...


No wonder! I'm a little taken aback as well. Why, with the Northwest Passage now seemingly becoming a reality, would we dump our best equipment to keep watch?

I smell conspiracy here.


Under a deal between MDA and the government — which contributed $430 million to the project through the Canadian Space Agency — MDA owns the satellite and can generate revenues from commercial contracts with other nations, while federal government departments in turn will be able to access information from the satellite at no cost.

Critics have questioned whether or not Canada's access to that data would remain if the satellite was sold to a U.S.-based firm.

Cullin told CBC News ATK will honour MDA's agreements with Canada and provide the same access to imagery that they have with Radarsat under Canadian ownership.

"The conditions for preserving Canadian government access to the satellite in events of an emergent event or issues of national security will be retained intact with the same guidelines that currently exist," he said. "There's no nuancing to that. That is absolutely something we
www.cbc.ca...


Oh yes, if there's something the Canadian Government needs to know, then they'll be sure to give us a call and send some pics... UNLESS, of couse, it is in the National interest of the American government NOT to disclose it. In fact, I believe the company would be legally bound to zip their lips.

Didn't the United States recently make the statement that they considered the Northwest Passage outside of the jurisdiction of Canada?

Finding that online might be harder, but I'll look.

Here's what I think... Harper, who is bound and determined to stay allied with the Bush administration, has decided that McCain will win and the status quo will remain in power. He may well be right.

However, what gives him the right to sell this VERY important technology, built by Canadian tax payer money funnelled into a private Canadian firm, to an American arms manufacturer and providing THEM with the means of guarding our own northern shores.

Something smells and it isn't last nights chili.



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reply posted on 21-3-2008 @ 04:36 AM by masqua


Arctic Sovereignty at risk!


Thanks to about $500-million from taxpayers, MDA built and launched Radarsat-2, a state-of-the-art observation satellite that can see through clouds and nighttime cover.

The division also built the Canadarm, a robotic arm on the space shuttle and the international space station.

-snip-

There have been concerns about whether Canada would still have priority access to Radarsat-2 images from the country's northern regions.

Through Radarsat-2, MDA is involved in the Canadian Forces' Polar Epsilon project, which would provide the military with up-to-date, all-weather images of the country's oceans and Arctic region

-snip-

Institute president Steven Staples said the delay was an encouraging sign the government was "beginning to wake up'' to the impact of the sale.

Once the 30-day postponement is over, Mr. Prentice could ask for another delay but he would then need the consent of the companies involved, departmental spokesman Bill Rodgers said.


www.reportonbusiness.com...



Poor Mr Prentice.

I feel so sorry for his predicament.. (NOT), having to decide between what is good for Canada and what is good for his corporate buddies.

In a classic case of double standards, this minister must choose between the people he was elected to represent and the corporations who would line his pockets... the political dichotomy of the age we live in.

This has Halliburton writ small all over it.

Beware the Ides of March, Mr Harper.



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