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reply posted on 17-10-2007 @ 06:16 PM by khunmoon
Here's the "proof."

Tibet leader awarded top US medal




The Dalai Lama has been awarded a Congressional Gold Medal - the top US civilian honour - in a move that has infuriated China.

George W Bush attended the ceremony in Washington, the first time a sitting US president has appeared in public with the exiled Tibetan leader.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.




reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 10:22 PM by deadbang
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That argument holds about as much water as it does in the middle east...you cannot go back in time and strip sovereign nations of territory based simply on thousand year old maps...sorry!


reply posted on 18-10-2007 @ 11:11 PM by gs001
Originally posted by deadbang
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post by gs001



That argument holds about as much water as it does in the middle east...you cannot go back in time and strip sovereign nations of territory based simply on thousand year old maps...sorry!


Tibet has been a part of China for several hundreds of years,
and it will be a part of China for ever.
basing on this will be enough.
I know someone in west hate China so much, and leave no means untried
to weaken, split, demonize China for several decades ,
but it seems to be infructuous, you failed to prevent China from being
stronger and stronger. the only effect of your "effort" is to let
more and more Chinese detest you.


reply posted on 19-10-2007 @ 02:26 AM by gs001
Do you know what Dalai Lama and his regime did to Tibetan?
they treated Tibetan people as animal, they have the right
to jail, torture and slay any Tibetan.



Do you know what is this? that is the peeled skin of their slaves,

In 1959, when China decided to abolish slavery in Tibet and
distributed field to liberated slaves, Dalai Lama and his regime
found their interest harmed and then launched armed rebel.
then failed and fleed to India.
that is the background of your "Congressional Gold Medal" gainer


reply posted on 19-10-2007 @ 05:27 AM by gs001
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Tibet formally became a part of China in qing dynasty, around 1720.
When Chinese central government sent governor to Tibet, and the local leader-dalai and banchan must get certificate from Chinese central government before they took power.
BTW, I'm curious why a country who robbed territory from American Indian and massacre most of them is so interested in other's territory issue?



[edit on 19-10-2007 by gs001]


reply posted on 19-10-2007 @ 06:01 AM by khunmoon
Hej gs001,
I read about that reading up on Tibetan history, and a Gurkha invasion made the Tibetans call the Chinese 1788. They had been in Tibet 1720-23 expelling the Mongols, but left by their own choice. In 1788 they stayed however and put in administrators, which they had a hard time controlling.

From Wiki:

In 1792, the emperor issued a 29-point decree which appeared to tighten Chinese control over Tibet. It strengthened the powers of the ambans, who were in theory put on a par with the Dalai and Panchen Lamas and given authority over financial, diplomatic and trade affairs. It also outlined a new method to select both the Dalai and Panchen Lama by means of a lottery administered by the ambans in Lhasa. In this lottery the names of the competing candidates were written on folded slips of paper which were placed in a golden urn.[44] The tenth, eleventh and twelfth Dalai Lamas were selected by the golden urn method.[45] The ninth, thirteen, and fourteenth Dalai Lamas, however, were selected by the previous incarnation's entourage, or labrang, with the selection being approved after the fact by Beijing.

The British forced the Tibetans to withdraw from Nepal. In the 19th century, the power of the Qing government declined. As Chinese soldiers posted to Lhasa began to neglect their military duties, the ambans lost influence. After the invasion of Tibet by General Zorawar Singh wars were fought with the Indian Kingdom of Jammu and were concluded with peace treaties at Ladakh in 1841 with Maharaja Gulab Singh.[46] and Nepal in 1856[47] without the involvement of Beijing. According to Chinese source, Nepal was a tributary state to China from 1788 to 1908.[48] Chinese government claimed that in the 1856 treaty, both Nepal and Tibet claimed allegiance to China.


Notice the wording 'claimed'. These treaties have been kept secret to public, and I'm not sure they ever have been eyed by a modern historian. Further more originals are probably lost.

That the lottery method haven't been used since 1857 for the 12th Dalai Lama indicates los of control, so I still have a hard time to see a hundred years later their claim is valid.


[edit on 19/10/07 by khunmoon]


reply posted on 19-10-2007 @ 06:40 AM by gs001
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I'm not a historian, so the details of Tibet history is too hard for me.
But all evidence show that Tibet definitely belongs to China.
In April this year, I visited Lhasa, capital of Tibet.
show you a group of pictures of Tibetan people.






What can you see from these pictures?
(Be notice of the difference between old generation and young generation)
Maybe Dalai Lama can contral the mind of believers in old generation of
Tibetan by religion,
But more and more young Tibetan choose to live a modern life.
and Dalai Lama's influence amid them will become weaker and weaker,
Some China-hater who want to use Dalai Lama as a weapon to split China
will be disappointed:-)


[edit on 19-10-2007 by gs001]


reply posted on 19-10-2007 @ 12:15 PM by khunmoon
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Great pics, but of the people in them who's features clearly shows, I only see two or three Tibetans. You do know that 30-35% of the population today in Lasha are Chinese. Being there recently and you probably had a good trip I better understand your prejudice. The info you bring here is what you was told by your (Chinese) guide, right?

You get the horror pics from them too? Of those I recognise the first one from one of Alexandra David-Neel's books. Yes, when I was a teen I used to read any book on Tibet I could get my hands on. Beside her books I've read Charles Bell, Henrich Harre, Lobsang Rampa and of course W. Y. Evans-Wentz rendition of Bardo Thodol, The Tibetan Book on Death. So though I've never been inside Tibet myself, I do know a little about it. But the 'peeling of skin' I've never heard about. I've heard about the practise of chopping dead bodies and place them on hilltops for vultures to devour (the air of Tibet is practically germ free, so bodies don't decompose and firewood is scarce).

You do know that the Chinese in their annextion of Tibet killed 100s of thousands of monks, destroyed 6500 (the recognized number) monestaries, maybe double that, and that there still is an Tibetan insurgency with daily episodes of fire. Refugees are still crossing into Nepal and India and episodes of Chinese troops shooting at them is occasionly witnessed by mounteneers.

I hope you also know within China itself, riots daily occur followed by immediate and mercyless repression from authoreties, and that these uprisings often are a reaction to living condition almost solely of enviromental kind. There's hardly a living river left in China, you know. These instances of civil disorder are seldom reported simply because their are no Westerns there to witness, but words do get out.

The price of 'a modern life' comes at a cost out of proportion, and I definately don't think the young people in your pictures will get happier in terms of peace of mind, than their ancestors were - though they might have been serfs.

Finally let me say the Tibetans I have met in Northern India were among the most joyfull people I've ever met - despite they were refuges.
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