Thoughts on Babylon.., page 1
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Topic started on 14-10-2007 @ 03:19 PM by runetang
"I'm leaving this Babylon, I'm leaving this Babylon
It will not be too long now, will not be too long
Said my people are starvin', but your moneys runnin'
I said my people are starving.. but your moneys running.
Your dolla dolla drop down real low, you aint got no gold to show
Gonna step right through that door, not gonna come back no more."
-Bad Brains "Leaving Babylon"

So I was thinking about Babylon, what it means in prophecy, what it means today. I feel the prophetical Babylon is of today, and in a way, it can exist in any age.

The weird thing is, important things, meaningful things, always seem to have a dualness to them. Something will happen to you, and then the next day something else will happen that somehow relates to the thing of the previous day, except the previous day it was a symbolic representation and the next day it is a literal representation of that which has the dualness to it. In this case, the prophetical Babylon.

The dualism is here. Material Babylon, physical Babylon, was located in modern day Iraq, outside of Baghdad. This is the physical destruction of Babylon as prophesied. But .. the dualness is there, and if you can think in certain terms, the psychic Babylon is whipping around the back and now we have to deal with it as well. And the irony of it is, the psychic Babylon is definitely the Western World, more specifically The United States. The very nation that was used to destroy the physical Babylon, is in itself, a Babylon, paradox.

And we have to destroy the Babylon at home, that keeps us all chained in some way shape or form, poor, hungry, druggy, etc. Even the rich people have their chains too, they are just chains which are self imposed, unknowingly at the start. Because no one can go through life without problems, they make them for themselves. I know this firsthand.

So how do we truly break free from Babylon, how are we going to burn it?


reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 11:44 AM by Clearskies
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth



The tribulation and the destruction of Babylon hasn't begun, yet.
Does anyone know that the World Trade Towers were also called the One World Trade Center???
One world, one religion. New world order.
The antichrist takes over through peace, rebuilds Babylon. The EU headquarters were built to represent the unfinished Tower of Babel.
Her currency has a woman riding a wild bull.
America is not Babylon, although it might have characteristics of it.
ALL wickedness will be destroyed.
Let us prepare ourselves to be accounted worthy to escape.


reply posted on 16-10-2007 @ 07:06 PM by 1337cshacker
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Originally posted by 1337cshacker
I believe modern Babylon to be new york city, destroyed in revelations.


Actually, modern "Babylon" was the world trade towers. Read Revelation 9:11... Yeah, that's right, it corresponds with the date it happened on.

I don't see any dates in revelations. If you are refering 9:11 as being sept 11, that is a bit absurd. What you are saying implies that the first 4 trumpets being blown, and they haven't. No meteor first has fallen, no hail and fire, no global earthquake (one of seals), and wormwood has not come. I do not believe the trumpets have began to blow.


Let's start by reviewing the event that will allow this powerful fallen angel entrance into the world. This occurrence is recorded in Revelation 9:1-11. To rightly understand who this "king of the bottomless pit" is, it's vital to correctly interpret what this passage is saying. We must be guided by Scripture, not our imagination.

REVELATION 9:1 And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key of the shaft of the bottomless pit; 2 he opened the shaft of the bottomless pit and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. (RSV)

First, notice that at the sounding of the fifth trumpet, an angel ("star") descends out of heaven to the earth. This angel has in his possession a key to the Abyss. With this key, he unlocks the "bottomless pit." This is very likely the same angel who later comes from heaven again with the key and a great chain to imprison Satan in the Abyss for the duration of the Millennium (Rev. 20:1-3).

REVELATION 9:3 Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth; 4 they were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green growth or any tree, but only those of mankind who have not the seal of God upon their foreheads; 5 they were allowed to torture them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torture was like the torture of a scorpion, when it stings a man. 6 And in those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, and death will fly from them. (RSV)

Regarding the "locusts" which ascend out of the Abyss, David H. Stern writes:

Demonic monsters are released which fly like locusts (Exodus 10:12-20; Joel 1:4, 2:4-14) and sting like scorpions (Ezekiel 2:6, Lk 11:12). (p. 816, Jewish New Testament Commentary)

God grants these evil "locusts" from the Abyss the power which scorpions have -- the power to inflict pain. God tells these paroled demons and fallen angels not to harm the earth or those humans who have His seal on their foreheads. Yet for five months God permits them to torment the unrepentant among mankind.

REVELATION 9:7 In appearance the locusts were like horses arrayed for battle; on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, 8 their hair like women's hair, and their teeth like lions' teeth; 9 they had scales like iron breastplates, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots with horses rushing into battle. 10 They have tails like scorpions, and stings, and their power of hurting men for five months lies in their tails. 11 They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon. (RSV)

Here we have a fantastic description of what these fallen angels and demons look like. The five-month period of their torture of mankind is also reiterated in verse 10. Then in verse 11, we have our first mention of Abaddon. He is identified as the angelic ruler over those who were released from the Abyss.
Abaddon Is The "Beast" Who Ascends From The Abyss

In Revelation 9:1-11, Abaddon is clearly identified as the king of the evil spirits released from the Abyss. This fact identifies him throughout the rest of the book of Revelation. Twice specifically, and once symbolically, Abaddon is referred to as the "beast" who is to come up out of the Abyss:

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