Conspiracy against Jews, page 1
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Topic started on 14-10-2007 @ 01:07 PM by Skyfloating
The roots of many so-called "conspiracy-theories" are the "Jewish World Conspiracy (JWC) Theories" as promoted throughout the 19th and 20th Century.

The JWC or "Bankers Conspiracy" is the mother of all modern conspiracy theories. The infamous "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" one of the fathers of Conspiracy-Theory-Literature.

Although the issue with Jews reaches back much further, it is the modern day JWC that was one reason for Hitlers war.

In short: Distorted Conspiracy theories can generate so much hate and anger that they cause a holocaust.

The JWC continues today with muslims suspecting zionism of taking over the world.

The JWC has gotten foothold in many households of the Average Joe. We all know someone or some relative of someone who sits around at dinner table talking about "the evil jews who own it all" or how "Hollywood is controlled by Jews" or "The Rothschild Family owns it all".

My personal opinion is that there is and has been a long-lasting conspiracy against Jews, not the other way around, or at least not as much as the other way around. My personal opinion is, that Jews have gained power BECAUSE they have been persecuted, mistreated, and attacked throughout the ages by people who envy their intellectual talents.

It is also my personal opinion that Isreal is a shining example of freedom and democracy in an area surrounded by the opposite. I dont understand why liberals and conspiracy-theorists take sides with supressive regimes such as iran, syria and palestina.

This thread is not looking for racist anger speeches. If you want to post something in favour of JWC, please do it in a calm and collected matter. If you really have facts to offer you dont need a temper tantrum to make your point. Rage only displays non-objectivity.

This thread is looking for discussion on the points brought up and on gathering evidence of a conspiracy AGAINST jews...the reverse viewpoint of regular JWC.

To make the beginning Ive copied this list from another recent thread which is a timeline of countries that have expelled their Jewish population en masse or otherwise perspecuted Jewish people (list not complete):



1250 - Pope Innocent III refuses Jews of Cordova, Spain to build a synagogue

1253 - Jews are expelled from Vienne, France by order of Pope Innocent III

1275 - King Edward I of England orders cessation of persecution of French Jews

1290 - Last of 16,000 English Jews expelled by King Edward I, leaves

1294 - Jews are expelled from Berne, Switzerland

1322 - Jews are expelled from France for 3rd time

1348 - Jews in Zurich, Switzerland are accused of poisoning wells

1349 - Townspeople of Fulda, Germany massacre Jews

1349 - People of Krems, Austria accuse Jews of poisoning wells

1349 - Jews of Freilsburg, Germany are massacred

1349 - Jews are expelled from Burgsordf, Switzerland

1349 - Jews are expelled from Zurich, Switzerlan

1349 - 60 Jews murdered in Breslau, Silesia

1360 - Jews are expelled from Breslau, Silesia

1370 - Jews are expelled/massacred from Brussels, Belgium

1391 - Jews of Palma, Majorca massacred

1391 - Jews are massacred in Toledo and Barcelona, Spain

1394 - Jews are expelled from France by order of King Charles VI

1420 - Jews of Syria and Austria expelled

1421 - Jews of Styria Austria imprisoned and expelled

1427 - Jews are expelled from Berne, Switzerland

1430 - Jews are expelled from Speyer, Germany

1430 - Jews are expelled from Eger, Bohemia

1450 - Jews are expelled from Lower Bavaria by order of Ludwig IX

1452 - Ferdinand II, the Catholic, King of Aragon/Sicily, expelled Jews

1453 - 41 Jewish martyrs burned at stake at Breslau

1454 - Jews are expelled from Brunn, Moravia by order of King Ladislaus

1479 - Jews are expelled from Schlettstadt, Alsace by Emperor Frederick III

1492 - 100,000 Jews expelled from Sicily

1492 - Jews are expelled from Spain by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella

1493 - Last day for all Jews to leave Sicily

1496 - Jews are expelled from Syria

1496 - Jews are expelled from Carintha, Austria

1496 - Jews are expelled from Portugal by order of King Manuel I

1497 - Jews are expelled from Graz (Syria)

1498 - Jews are expelled from Nurenberg, Bavaria by Emperor Maximillian

1505 - Jews are expelled from Orange Burgandy by Philibert of Luxembourg

1510 - Jews are expelled from Colmar, Germany

1515 - Jews are expelled from Laibach, Austria

1526 - Jews are expelled from Pressburg, Hungary by Maria of Hapsburg

1539 - Jews of Tyrnau, Hungary (then Trnava, Czech), expelled

1549 - Jews are expelled from Ghent, Belgium

1550 - Jews are expelled from Genoa, Italy

1563 - Jews are expelled from France by order of Charles VI

1563 - Jewish community of Neutitschlin, Moravia expelled

1567 - Jews are expelled from Brazil by order of regent Don Henrique

1598 - Genoa, Italy expels Jews

1654 - Jews are expelled from Brazil

1670 - Jews expelled from Austria by order of Leopold I

1670 - Austrian Emperor Leopold I expels 4,000

1699 - Jews are expelled from Lubeck, Germany

1716 - Decree orders all Jews expelled from Brussels, Belgium

1727 - Jews are expelled from Ukraine by Empress Catherine I of Russia

1731 - All Hebrew books in Papal State are confiscated

1738 - Jews are expelled from Breslau

1740 - Jews are expelled from Little Russia by order of Czarina Anne

1742 - Empress Elisabeth orders expulsion of all Jews from Russia

1745 - Jews are expelled from Prague

1775 - Marshal Oscar von Lubomirski expels Jews from Warsaw, Poland

1784 - Jews are expelled from Warsaw by Marshall Mniszek

1809 - Citizenship is denied to Jews of Canton of Aargau, Switzerland

1816 - Jews are expelled from Free city of Lubeck, Germany

1829 - Jews expelled from Nikolayev and Sevastopol, Russia

1829 - Jews expelled from Portugal

1853 - Austrian law forbids Jews from owning land

1862 - Gen U.S. Grant expels Jews from Tennessee, issues order #11, barring Jews from serving under him

1882 - Czar Alexander III bans Jews from living in rural Romania (May Laws)

1891 - Jews are expelled from Moscow, Russia

1898 - Jews are expelled from Kiev, Russia

1914 - Jews are expelled from Mitchenick, Poland

1914 - Jews are expelled from Tel Aviv by Turkish authorities

1915 - Jews of Laibach, Austria expelled

1917 - Jews are expelled from Tel Aviv and Jaffa by Turkish authorities

1939 - Jews in Lodz, Poland ordered to wear yellow star of David

1941 - All Jews living in Baltic States are obligated to wear a Jewish star

1941 - Jews are expelled from Hungarian, Ruthenia

1944 - Hungary orders all Jews to wear yellow stars



For me this is further evidence of Jews being opressed, not Jews opressing the world.


reply posted on 14-10-2007 @ 01:51 PM by robert z
reply to post by Skyfloating




I'm not sure that the events you listed are conspiratorial. Rather, they may be simple consequences that resulted either directly, or indirectly, from the Jews laying claim to be the One Chosen People of God and the rest of the world be damned.

Not a good way to win friends and influence people. Sort of like how the radical muslims are coming across now. Actions have consequences. Not everything is a conspiracy.


reply posted on 14-10-2007 @ 01:58 PM by Skyfloating
reply to post by hikix



If presented in a sensible manner and documented, your info wont be thrown out. It will be considered by anyone here and then counter-points will be presented, to which you again can present counter-points, by which each and every reader can decide what to believe for themselves. No need to imply a conspiracy so vast that even ats is in on it.


reply posted on 14-10-2007 @ 02:02 PM by Skyfloating
reply to post by robert z



To conspire: To secretly plot and plan against someone. The list indicates that covert plans must have been undertaken before measures happened. At least the list ist not indicative of Jews being the oppressors, but the other way around.



reply posted on 14-10-2007 @ 02:13 PM by AnAbsoluteCreation
Plain and simple. It doesn't even have to get ugly. I can answer your question as honestly as possible.

All religion, Chritianity, Judiasm, Islam came from Abraham, way before your timeline that you've posted begins.

Points of Interest:

1). Abraham made a covenant with only the Jews that held them to a higher standard, therefore making them more pure in the eyes of God.

- We all know
The Story of Abraham

2). Jewish people have claimed to be the chosen people in the face of all the world. Perhaps it is just by default that they believe in a deity who chooses favorites, nonetheless, this action carries heavy reprocussion, obviously.

3) In the perspective of Christians and Muslims (making up 3 billion people) Jews killed Christains messiah, and discredit the divinity of the Islamic bloodline.

Just for those three reasons the Jewish race have been the target of condemnation by others. Because of all these years of attrician, has Israel's skin became thickened to the point where they commit the same attrocities (palestinians) that the Gestopo in Nazi germany committed against them?

Let us not forget the political influence & pressure that Israel implemements around the world. They are in the front office of every political agenda, and this will inadvertantly annoy a group of people so large, who base their lives on the religion for which they believe.

I am for a world of fairness, and until leaders of our countries conceed to their selfish desires, the whole world is full of crap, and that goes for the Israeli regime as well.

People pursecute when their backs are against the proverial wall. I think it is all sick.

AAC


reply posted on 14-10-2007 @ 02:47 PM by AnAbsoluteCreation
Here is a (Gestapo type) vid to discern over... Notice the IDF soldier next to the Israel woman.



I don't want to fill this thread up with one-sided stories, but you can browse the Youtube page for more of the reality with the settlers. These acts of oppression will breed reaction. How long has this been going on? The reactions always come fro a cause, let us all not forget that no one is right when everone is wrong.

AAC


reply posted on 15-10-2007 @ 03:07 AM by Astyanax
The State of Israel is a Christian construct

reply to
post by Skyfloating


The hatred and persecution of Jews were more or less exclusively Christian pastimes between the Edict of Milan in 313AD and the founding of the State of Israel in 1948. As someone has already pointed out on this thread, the true origin of Christian anti-Semitism is to be found in the belief that 'the evil Jews crucified our Lord'. This is attested to by innumerable Christian sources and few serious historians contest it.

Jews lived happily and in peace among Muslims all over the mediaeval world. In fact, large numbers of them emigrated from Europe to the Muslim world to escape Christian persecution. One of the best-known examples of this is the exodus of Jews from Spain after the fall of the Muslim kingdoms there.

Muslim anger against Jews is of recent origin and has only one cause: the creation of a modern State of Israel on land expropriated from Palestinian Muslims. The bullying behaviour of that State since its foundation has understandably exacerbated the anger.

Ancient, pre-Christian 'persecutions' of the Jews, as attributed to the Egyptians, Babylonians and others in the Old Testament, were basically the result of the Jews getting caught up in Middle Eastern power politics. Although Jewish intractability and a sense of superiority conferred by their powerful monotheistic religion probably didn't help, Jews were not targeted smply because they were Jews, which is what happened to them in Christian lands, but because they were in the way.

I really don't see how anyone can suggest that the State of Israel is a force for good in the world. Could you name a few of the benefits the world has gained through the existence of this State? Could you name even one?

[edit on 15-10-2007 by Astyanax]
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