The Aspertame Lawsuit (Equal Sugar Sweetener Is Toxic!), page 9

reply to post by NRen2k5

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It's really kinda amusing how upset you're making people, guess it's cuz you don't post any links, so they can attack the source as biased. Sometimes ATS gets frustrating like that, everybody googles articles (myself included) that support ONLY their position and those against them ALWAYS attack it as biased. It's a search engine showcase, lol.

Oh well. Either way, those who ingest aspartame will likely continue to do so, and those that don't will probably continue to do so as well, just unbeknownst to them.

Thy facts -- the three ingredients of aspartame:
(remember -- in 6,000 products)

1. Aspartic Acid - One of the twenty naturally occurring amino acids. Has the following chemical characteristics: pKa1 pKa2 pKa3 pI Water Solubility (30deg C)2.09-3.86 9.82 2.97 0.6

2. Phenylalanine - One of the amino acids which the body cannot manufacture itself, but must acquire from food. It is abundant in meats and cheese.

3. Methyl Alcohol - CH3OH; a flammable, toxic, mobile liquid, used as an industrial solvent, antifreeze, and in chemical manufacture; ingestion may result in severe acidosis, visual impairment, and other effects on the central nervous system. (aka formaldehyde)

[] [] [] [] cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk...

[edit on 31-10-2007 by anhinga]

Originally posted by anhinga
3. Methyl Alcohol - CH3OH; a flammable, toxic, mobile liquid, used as an industrial solvent, antifreeze, and in chemical manufacture; ingestion may result in severe acidosis, visual impairment, and other effects on the central nervous system. (aka formaldehyde)

The only negative component listed, and one that is also present in fruits and vegetables....

It should be noted that the human body can metabolize and eliminate low concentrations of methanol with no ill effects. (Methanol is present in many cooked vegetables, and the artificial sweetener in diet soft drinks breaks down into methanol during digestion.) Methanol becomes poisonous only when it overwhelms the body's capacity to remove it. Toxic effects do not occur until several hours after exposure. Effective antidotes to methanol poisoning are readily available and can be administered during this interim period.
www.stillcooker.com...

reply to post by 27jd

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What part of TOXIC don't you understand? This, I never do, but here, from Wiki:

Methanol is toxic by two mechanisms. Firstly, methanol (whether it enters the body by ingestion, inhalation, or absorption through the skin) can be fatal due to its CNS depressant properties in the same manner as ethanol poisoning. Secondly, it is toxic by its breakdown (toxication) by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver by forming formic acid and formaldehyde which cause permanent blindness by destruction of the optic nerve.[2] Fetal tissue will not tolerate methanol.

Dangerous doses will build up if a person is regularly exposed to vapors or handles liquid without skin protection. If methanol has been ingested, a doctor should be contacted immediately. The usual fatal dose is 100–125 mL (4 fl oz). Toxic effects take hours to start, and effective antidotes can often prevent permanent damage. This is treated using ethanol or fomepizole.[3] Either of these drugs acts to slow down the action of alcohol dehydrogenase on methanol by means of competitive inhibition, so that it is excreted by the kidneys rather than being transformed into toxic metabolites.

en.wikipedia.org...

Although, do they mention it's an INGREDIENT in one of the BEST SELLING beverages on the planet, of course not. Try this, 18,600 Google hits, just skim the clips of the first few:

www.google.com...
on thee edit: so, for those addicted to diet Coke/Pepsi and not listening to 101 reason here, let the ol thread know when your kidney fails or one of your retina gets detached or the other numerous conditions listed just on that first Google page. (I don't know why this is in bold, Mods?)

[edit on 31-10-2007 by anhinga]

That is kinda funny in this serious topic. I've read about those frat initiations gone wrong, where they bloat the kid on water, kill him. Happened recently in NJ, New Brunswick (Rutgers).

How is this:

At room temperature it is a polar liquid and is used as an antifreeze, solvent, fuel, and as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. It is also used for producing biodiesel via transesterification reaction.

EVER naturally occurring?

en.wikipedia.org...

Nowhere on this page does it mention "naturally occurring" -- but, my mistake in the last post, towards the bottom there's an aspartame link.

[edit on 31-10-2007 by anhinga]

reply to post by anhinga

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Methanol is a form of alcohol, it's naturally occurring in fruits (such as apples) and vegetables. In aspartame, as well as fruits and vegetables, the body doesn't get enough to not be able to safely metabolize it.

Thank you 27jd. Good to see there’s somebody else in this thread with his head screwed on straight.

Originally posted by anhinga
reply to post by 27jd

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What part of TOXIC don't you understand?

He understands “toxic” perfectly well. What about dosages don’t you understand?

Methanol is toxic by two mechanisms. Firstly, methanol (whether it enters the body by ingestion, inhalation, or absorption through the skin) can be fatal due to its CNS depressant properties in the same manner as ethanol poisoning. Secondly, it is toxic by its breakdown (toxication) by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver by forming formic acid and formaldehyde which cause permanent blindness by destruction of the optic nerve.[2] Fetal tissue will not tolerate methanol.

Dangerous doses will build up if a person is regularly exposed to vapors or handles liquid without skin protection. If methanol has been ingested, a doctor should be contacted immediately. The usual fatal dose is 100–125 mL (4 fl oz). Toxic effects take hours to start, and effective antidotes can often prevent permanent damage. This is treated using ethanol or fomepizole.[3] Either of these drugs acts to slow down the action of alcohol dehydrogenase on methanol by means of competitive inhibition, so that it is excreted by the kidneys rather than being transformed into toxic metabolites.

4oz fatal? Remember this is a biproduct of aspartame, so however much aspartame there is in a drink, there will only be a fraction as much methanol. 4oz is a lot. That’s ⅓ of a coke can of pure methanol.

Although, do they mention it's an INGREDIENT in one of the BEST SELLING beverages on the planet, of course not.

Because it isn’t. Aspartame is. And aspartame is listed.

Try this, 18,600 Google hits, just skim the clips of the first few:

www.google.com...

on thee edit: so, for those addicted to diet Coke/Pepsi and not listening to 101 reason here, let the ol thread know when your kidney fails or one of your retina gets detached or the other numerous conditions listed just on that first Google page. (I don't know why this is in bold, Mods?)

Addicted to diet coke / pepsi.

Jesus Christ man, what did I just tell you yesterday? That biased attitude is one of your biggest problems. You don’t actually buy the same crap you’re saying, do you?

[edit on 1-11-2007 by NRen2k5]

reply to post by NRen2k5

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The thing is, are you still open to debate me as per ATS debate rules over the pros/cons of Aspartame ingestion ??

I'm ready, willing and able...

Are you able to debate within the rules without posting...

Prove it

prove it

this is incorrect

Etc, etc...

If you are, u2u me, and we can set it up as a proper debate for all ATS members to see and comment on, if not, just say so...

And most of us will consign your rhetoric to the bin where it belongs....

Yes or no ? Simple question, really...If you want to debate U2U me and we'll get the process started...

I have found the most unbiased site that I think any of us will, with lots of objective information...

The truth from a liar is still the truth. Wisdom from an idiot is still wisdom. I would tend to distrust the corporation that is selling something for profit, but I'm open-minded enough to listen to their arguments. In the case of aspartame, their arguments are in the form of the scientific studies done. And after months of looking up dozens of studies in medical libraries throughout Northern California and reading them, I find their arguments are pretty damn convincing. Not every study done is convincing and thorough, but there really is a large body of evidence that says aspartame is generally safe. If you can believe they falsified all this data, paid off literally dozens and dozens of Phd. researchers at major universities and medical centers.... you may as well believe that everyone is out to get you! The "footprint" of a full blown cover-up would be much more messy, I would think. Manipulating data and paying off researchers would only go so far. Researchers are people, and you have to have a little faith in their humanity. If aspartame was truly dangerous (with 100 million users today), we wouldn't need a web site to know it.

*snip*

But to put these sites in perspective, imagine the fraction of 1% of the people who have reactions to say... peanut butter. What would you think of "www.peanutbutterkills.com", that detailed gruesome reactions to peanut butter, called Skippy a poison, and compared the Nutter Butter man to Hitler? How far is this from "www.aspartamekills.com"? Not far.

*snip*

These anti-aspartame sites list a number of biochemical mechanisms as to how aspartame can cause harm. Most people don't know enough about biochemistry to make sense of all these claims (but it certainly sounds convincing, doesn't it?). For a counter-example, note that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen--two flammable gases... what does that prove? That water is a dangerous substance? If so, there must be a conspiracy to cover it up, right? I'm not defending aspartame here--what I'm saying is that it's very easy to generate pseudo-scientific claims and fuel conspiracy theories.

*snip*

You can access the summaries of all published medical research by searching for "aspartame", "aspartame symptoms" or "aspartame experiment" (for example) at National Library of Medicine This site contains over 9 million citations from medical journals. It (of course) includes experiments and commentary both critical and supportive of the safety of aspartame. It is ALL published research. Judge for yourself. And ask yourself, Why don't the anti-aspartame sites mention where I can get the real research?. Look at the variety of Universities and Medical Centers involved in this research. No, this isn't research done by Monsanto--it's real research submitted and reviewed by the editorial boards of real medical journals. These are doctors, universities and journals that are putting their reputation on the line.

aspartametruth.org...

Have at it...





[edit on 1-11-2007 by 27jd]

reply to post by Rilence

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Ready, willing and able. I of course expect you to follow the rules too. Which means none of the BS and shenanigans that have been going on here. Think you’re up to it?

Update:

Saw this article, Google Drops Aspartame Article Under Industry Pressure this morning.

I downloaded Andrea McCreery's article just in time, because Google immediately deleted it, though they left it on the menu. Somebody at aspartame [Diet Coke, Equal, NutraSweet, E951, Ajinomoto, Merisant, or the other suspects] had the clout to kill the release to continue blinding consumers about their addictive neurotoxic, carcinogenic junk. In this case what you don't know can kill you.

For 16 years from the creation of aspartame our FDA denied approval of that chemical because it causes brain tumors. The agency even compiled a list of 92 symptoms of aspartame poisoning from over 10,000 volunteered consumer complaints. FDA now denies there ever was such a list but here it is on their stationery: www.mpwhi.com... It took Don Rumsfeld to leave his job as head of the company that made aspartame to become Reagan's Secretary of Defense.

reply to post by anhinga

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Very interesting and disturbing article. Here is a paragraph from it:

Aspartame Disease is partially behind some of the mystery of the Desert Storm health problems. The burning tongue and other problems discussed many cases can be directly related to the consumption of aspartame. Several thousand pallets of diet drinks were shipped to the Desert Storm troops. (Remember: heat can liberate the methanol from the aspartame at 86 degrees F). These diet drinks sat in the 120 degree F Arabian sun for weeks at a time on pallets. The serviceman and women drank them all day long. All of their symptoms are identical to aspartame poisoning.

The article also talks about Xylitol and Stevia being a sweet food and "not an additive" which has now been approved as a dietary supplement by the FDA.

reply to post by NRen2k5

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...should you like drinking formaldehyde, keep killing yrself quickly.

(edit: btw, Rense articles usually come from legit sources, that was one written for his site but there's a slew of links within, like what Anne Stacey posted.)


[edit on 4-11-2007 by anhinga]

reply to post by NRen2k5

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And I can say the EXACT same thing to you aside from the fact that I posted the thread in the first place, so don't start w/ the bullying. I won't back down to you.

There is well-documented proof of this poison, all you gotta do is look at the three INGREDIENTS to understand this.

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