reply to post by moonking
Moonking, interesting find.
Guessing that's UA175 based on the angle of bank. (For non-pilots, obviously an airplane is turned by changing the angle of bank, thus the lift
'vector' now has not only a vertical but also a horizontal component. Not going to go on, anyone can research the 'Four Forces' that apply to an
airplane in flight).
Assuming the bottom of the picture is parallel to the horizon it would appear to be an angle of bank of at least 45 degrees...15 degrees more than a
professional pilot on a commercial airline flight will use. (25 degrees is the standard, up to 30 degrees is available to the autopilot. Of course,
when hand flown, no limits).
As part of Private, Commercial and even Airline Pilot training we practice 'steep turns', as they're called. It's about knowing the fine points
of control, and being able to demonstrate an ability to maintain control.
Some non-pilots have suppossed the G-forces would be too high for either the pilot or the airplane...a sustained 60 degree bank turn will exert 2Gs
force on the occupants. 45 degrees is, then, obviously less. Well within human and airframe tolerances.
(Yes, a 'steep' bank combined with an added up elevator input will result in higher G forces...but for a limited time, and IF this was a real
airplane flown into the WTC by an Arab Terrorist and IF he just corrected AT THE LAST FEW SECONDS and pulled a few extra Gs for those few seconds...as
he saw he was going to miss and corrected...then the videos and pics I've seen seem very plausible, from what I know about B767s).
What I hoped to convey here is, I truly believe (cannot understand) that a person could commit suicide and fly an airplane into a building. I just
cannot understand the suicide part...but unless the people who blow themselves up in Israel and Iraq are not real, then maybe the ideology they
subscribe to can, indeed, twist their minds to such an extent.....
Finally...I was not in NYC that day, as I've mentioned on other threads here. I was at home, in Arlington, Virginia...just a few miles from the
Pentagon. I felt my house shake a little, this was after the impact, when the upper floors of the section affected collapsed.
Yes, I brought up the Pentagon, not to unravel the thread, just to clarify (testify?).
NOW....the 'Hologram' representing UA175 (second airplane into WTC) had to be 'banked' at about 45 degrees, and seemed to not hit right in the
center, but slightly off...but bad enough, as we know. 'AA11' had a "better" hit, as in (I'm sorry if any loved ones are reading this...) it
seemed that AA11 struck straight in, or so. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but PLEASE stop cutting and pasting....that tends to skew context, in
my opinion. Continuing, AA11 hit first, slightly higher floor than UA175...yet the second Tower hit collapsed first.
Anyone want to field this? Is it fact, or did I get anything here wrong?
Very last aside, here....One of the producers/creators of the TV show 'Frasier', and his wife, were on AA11, out of Boston. Where are they now?
Seth McFarlane (sp?) who is the main creative force behind the animated TV show 'Family Guy' was booked on AA11....and missed the flight because he
was hung over and over-slept the morning of 9/11. I'm not making this stuff up....you can research it.
Just my two thousand cents....
[edited the word 'they'...spelled with an 'a' by accident...]
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