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posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 11:20 AM
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RiotComing

Would you say that the flashes were of a different color when comparing the Naudet film and the ones showing the impact of the second plane?




posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by RexxCrow
One thing that I always thought was suspect was if you look at the impact areas of WTC1 and WTC2 it appears as if the exterior columns had been precut horizontally across in sections of 3 (for the most part) and as well the impact holes are much larger the the fuselage of the planes.


The external cladding of the WTCs was constructed with rectangular sections. This is what caused the horizontal looking cuts. When the rectangular pieces were compromised, the entire section came off.

Also, the impact holes are not much larger than the fuselages of the planes.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 11:47 AM
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How does a flash support a hologram theory.

Besides im yet to see a video of the flash that happens BEFORE the plane nose collides with the tower.
Im all for a 911 conspiracy but I wont let people tell me what im seeing when it isnt true.
Saying it happens before the collision doesnt make it so.
Someone please proove to me it happens before collision and I will jump on board.
Make another thread though, lets keep this thread on topic.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Case closed? Only if your mind is also.
A modern computer would be able to synchronise all events quite easily, let alone one from 30 years ahead of us.


What? Now are you suggesting that time travel is part of the conspiracy?

No, a computer would not be able to synchronize the exact location and timing of a holographic projection to the degree of accuracy shown in the crash at WTC2.

Why?

Because there would be no feedback system providing input to the computer showing exactly where the hologram was being projected at any moment. Holograms are projections of light. To synchronize anything with a hologram the computer would have to have some sort of input signal FROM the holographic image which would control the timing of alleged charges.

My guess is that no proponent of the hologram theory has any clue how holograms are created.

It is more likely that George Bush is actually Bill Clinton wearing one of those latex masks and voice changers like in Mission Impossible.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 12:33 PM
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My friend's dad was on one of the planes that hit the WTC.. How can you explain his disappearance after 9/11?



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 12:37 PM
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who ever believes the hologram theory or any other theory proposed by john lear is not thinking. what credentials does john lear have that makes what hes saying even possibly true?!? NONE! hes an attention craving old man trying to make himself popular through the stupidity and ignorance of others. why not just accept the fact that on 9/11 four planes were hijacked and 3 of them crashed into buildings. ill say this once again all this bs about bush hidden agenda and 9/11 is crap made up by the crazy leftist. they hate the war they hate bush theyre all dumb. start thinking and stop following!!!



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 12:50 PM
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What the...

You have to got to be kidding me!!!

"Holographic Theory" ????

Omg.... Those planes where real you numnuts...



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by RiotComing
reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
 

Yeah but the weird thing was that the flashes occured before impact, therefore, no aggravation or reason to set anything off. It's one of the real mysteries of 9/11 for me, to which I've never found an answer.


For the sake of argument, even if what you say is true about seeing flashes before impact... well.... they key word here is IMPACT.

Holograms are projections of light and could not impact anything. The flashes would be evidence that something physical, e.g., a plane, impacted the buildings.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 01:51 PM
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Was there really a big following to the whole Hologram theory??? I always skip over these threads because I know it's science fiction. These sort of theories push us away from the true goal of freedom in America. Try not to destroy the movement while attempting to contribute to it. Please and Thanks.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by doobie12488





who ever believes the hologram theory or any other theory proposed by john lear is not thinking. what credentials does john lear have that makes what hes saying even possibly true?!? NONE! hes an attention craving old man trying to make himself popular through the stupidity and ignorance of others.



Thanks for the post doobie12488. Many would agree with you and some would not. Those that would not agree with you would be those who developed the holograph projector. They had a lot of fun with those projectors, I remember one story of a middle aged couple (they drove over to my house the next day and told this story) which happened in 1987.

This couple were driving late at night from Ely to Las Vegas, They had taken Hiway 6 to Warm Springs and then 375 (this was before it was named the Extraterrestrial Hiway) Hiway 375 cuts down north of Groom Lake. Groom Lake is about 25 miles south of 375 at the closest point. Bald Mountain sits between 375 and Groom Lake and you can see a facility and a number of antennas at the barren top of this 9300 foot mountain.

Anyway, this couple is driving along late and night and just south of Rachel (this was before Joe and Pat started up the Little Ale Inn) they started up the grade to Coyote Summit. As they crest the summit there smack dab in the middle of the road is a huge, about 10 foot tall, full color and brightly lit Wile E. Coyote with his thumb stuck out like he was hitchhiking.

There was no time to swerve and the couple drove straight through Wile E. Coyote like he wasn't there. There was nothing there.

The incident so unnerved the couple that they pulled over to the side of the road to calm themselves.

The next morning the lady called me and asked if she and her husband could come over to talk and she told me that they had had a frightening encounter north of Groom Lake.

They came over a little before lunch and told me the story. Of course I told them that what they had seen was a holograph. I had heard about the holograph development but had never known anyone that had seen one.

This was in 1987. About 10 years ago in 1997 a friend of mine who was a scientist for Lockheed in Sunnyvale was driving to work with a friend down the Bayshore Hiway from Los Altos Hills. From out of nowhere a huge Boeing 747 type airplane flew over their car at about 500 feet southbound. Both men looked up at the airplane flying south and couldn't believe what they were seeing because all airline traffic usually goes north into San Francisco and also it seemed too low for normal traffic. They watched it for about 10 or 15 seconds when the airplane instantly disappeared. My friend said it was like turning a light off. This was in broad daylight about 8:30 in the morning.

Of course what they saw was a holograph.

So doobie12488 when you say:


hes an attention craving old man trying to make himself popular through the stupidity and ignorance of others


You are correct that I am old. I will be 65 on December 4. And you are partially correct about the attention craving. I don't actually crave the attention but it is kind of nice. But I would take exception to the "trying to make himself popular through the stupidity and ignormnace of others".

I have taken quite a bit of flak here lately on ATS so if I am trying to make myself popular I need to seriously reassess this effort and quit saying stuff like the Boeing 767's that hit the WTC were holographs and the moon has a breathable atmosphere and people live on Venus. This makes people angry, much like yourself because they can't believe this stuff is true. And what makes them the angriest is that if it ever turns out to be true they are the ones that are going to look like less than knowledgeable people having been taken to the cleaners hook, line and sinker by the perps.

So anyway thanks for the post and your input, it is truly appreciated.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by RiotComing
Yeah but the weird thing was that the flashes occured before impact, therefore, no aggravation or reason to set anything off. It's one of the real mysteries of 9/11 for me, to which I've never found an answer.


Static build up is a real problem for large aircraft, the flashes may be the discharge.

Once again this is from commercial pilots I have talked to about 911.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear

I have taken quite a bit of flak here lately on ATS so if I am trying to make myself popular I need to seriously reassess this effort and quit saying stuff like the Boeing 767's that hit the WTC were holographs and the moon has a breathable atmosphere and people live on Venus. This makes people angry, much like yourself because they can't believe this stuff is true. And what makes them the angriest is that if it ever turns out to be true they are the ones that are going to look like less than knowledgeable people having been taken to the cleaners hook, line and sinker by the perps.



John,

I would respectfully suggest that you are mistaken about why people are angry with you.

When you postulate theories about the moon and venus, you are giving opinions that may be coming from a position of being more informed than others. I personally am open minded to all of your opinions about the moon and venus.

But when you postulate theories about no planes hitting the WTCs, you are speaking from a position of ignorance in comparison to the people who actually were in NY and saw the planes hit. You have no reason to claim any superior knowledge or information about the planes in NY than a layperson would have to claim they have more knowledge of flying than you. The people who saw the planes with their own eyes are first-hand eyewitnesses. Any reasonable person would put more weight on their experience than on your self-proclaimed expertise.

Further, the implication of your hologram theory insults the memories of the people who were passengers on the planes and who actually died. It insults the families of loved ones who were on those planes. Your theories are about real people with real families, not some abstract space aliens living on the moon.

I think if you take a step back an look at the big picture, you will see the difference between your moon and venus theories and your theories about real people, e.g., Burlingame, who died on 9/11. Big difference, imo.

But thanks for your post. It is appreciated.

robert



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 02:28 PM
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John, I would like you tell me how they could have been holograms if my friend's dad was on one of the planes.. I'm pretty sure he wasn't a hologram either.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 02:33 PM
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post edited due to confrontational nature

[edit on 10/15/07 by RedDragon]



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by RedDragon





John, I would like you tell me how they could have been holograms if my friend's dad was on one of the planes.. I'm pretty sure he wasn't a hologram either.



Thanks for the post RedDragon. Your friends dad was not in the holograph. A holograph is a projection of an illusion. I don't know where the real planes went. But they didn't crash into the WTC. I don't know where your friends Dad is or what happened to him after takeoff. But he was not in an airplane that crashed into the WTC because there was no airplane.

Thanks for the post and sorry to hear about your friends Dad.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 02:38 PM
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That's a big hole because people were seen boarding the planes, and the planes were still on radar as they took off from the airports. They never went off of the radar either. They were tracked on FAA radar by certified traffick controllers until they disappeared over NYC. There was also a "hologram" that crashed over Pennsylvania, complete with wreckage and corpses.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 02:43 PM
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Basically, for your hologram theory to work, they need to have found a way to break the laws of physics because radar tracked the planes from take-off to explosion.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 02:52 PM
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Then you need to find out why the conspirators would go through the trouble of finding out how to break the laws of physics, setting up holograms, finding out what to do with the 500 or so people that were actually on the planes and finding out what to do with the actual planes when they actually could have just blown up the planes like it's widely accepted that the terrorists did. Or just bomb the WTC with conventional bombs and blame it on Al-Quaida if they couldn't trick people into suiciding for them. There are much, much easier ways to do this kind of thing than an crazy hologram scheme that's filled with holes. Oh, and find out the point of crashing a real plane over Pennsylvania.

[edit on 10/15/07 by RedDragon]



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
A holograph is a projection of an illusion


No it is a projection of light and for it to be 3d it would take more than one projector too.
Also again I ask, what was the light reflecting from in mid air, a hologram is not able to just project so far and then stop in mid air.
Why if you know so much about holograms do you know nothing about the actual workings of how they work.
Let alone you keep calling them holographs which isnt the correct terminology.

So all in all what you are suggesting is impossible, on tv yes, in person, no chance.



posted on Oct, 15 2007 @ 02:56 PM
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Isn't JohnLear supposed to be some kind of scientist?





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