If 9/11 was a inside job, How many people were involved?

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posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi

Originally posted by seanm
How irrational does one have to be to entertain the thought that those who built the WTC towers from 1966-1971 had the foresight and the vision to plant explosives that would be set off at the exact locations two aircraft not even on the drawing boards at the time would hit so precisely 30 years later?


Yep, because I said the average guy that was working on the construction was the one that planted it.


Yup, exactly. And 40 years ago to boot.


Nice putting words in my mouth.....again


So you didn't know when the WTC towers were built? What DO you know? So far, not much at all.




posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by robert z
Back on topic, there is no way that thousands or even hundreds of people would have been needed. How about this scenario...


How about an even simpler scenario. The governemnt let it happen, just like another Pearl Harbor.


Gosh, another one who believes the government let Pearl Harbor happen.

Amazing.



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by Copernicus

Originally posted by seanm
The burden of proof is on you. After all YOU believe it's a conspiracy, not me.

Get back too us when you've got the numbers.



Edit: Ah sorry... Im confused by the way you quote people... maybe you are realizing there was a conspiracy? It seems so in some of your posts. Please clarify.

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I'll be clear. No one has presented any evidence of a government conspiracy to either cause 9/11 to happen or to let it happen.

Of course, people have presented lost of claims, assertions, and so-called anomalies. But none have refuted the overwhelming evidence that 9/11 happened as we know it did.

It's been six years and all we have from 9/11 Deniers is the same debunked nonsense they've been dishing out for years.

Religious dogma is like that. All beliefs, no evidence.



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:03 AM
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Ok, but watch this documentary. All the evidence in this one is easily verifiable by yourself. We are not as crazy as you may think we are.

9/11 Coincidences

Thanks for watching.

What made me look into the 9/11 thing was actually the crashproof 9/11 passport. This is like a smoking gun to me. Its impossible for a passport to escape undamaged from the pocket of a hijacker that was on a plane that got vaporized in less than a second, and end up two blocks away as the (almost) only thing surviving the crash.

But the documentary takes up tons of stuff that would not happen if this was truly a genuine terrorist attack on America. You have to agree with this.



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posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:15 AM
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Been there, done that. If you believe it, I really can't help you.



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posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:16 AM
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OK, I just figured that since you wanted evidence of what the truthers are saying, you would be interested in it.

Maybe you are still not ready to accept the horrible truth of 9/11 and I have respect for that.

Peace.



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posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Copernicus
Ok, but watch this documentary. All the evidence in this one is easily verifiable by yourself. We are not as crazy as you may think we are.

9/11 Coincidences

Thanks for watching.

What made me look into the 9/11 thing was actually the crashproof 9/11 passport. This is like a smoking gun to me. Its impossible for a passport to escape undamaged from the pocket of a hijacker that was on a plane that got vaporized in less than a second, and end up undamaged two blocks away undamaged as the (almost) only thing surviving the crash.


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This is a good example where you can debunk what you believe on your own. It would be a really good exercise for you to spend a few hours to try to educate yourself on airline crashes of all sorts and try to demonstrate why a passport COULD survive.

Let me give you a little guidance. First, an assumption is made that the passport was in the hijacker's pocket. Why? I am an airline traveler and keep my passport in my carry on bag.

Second, there is more than just the explosion of the fuel. There is the impact itself and there is the blast wave from the explosion - the shock wave - that precedes the actual fire from the fuel.

Not only is it possible for the passport to survive unscathed, paper products survive all manner of airline crashes.

Now, you don't have to believe me and shouldn't take my word for it. You should be a true skeptic and go find out for yourself. It's an excellent exercise in critical thinking and learning something new, something that goes against your own intuition. It may open your eyes to why you should question everything - including, and especially - 9/11 Truthers.

It's up to you. Good luck.



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by Copernicus



OK, I just figured that since you wanted evidence of what the truthers are saying, you would be interested in it.


I already knew it.


Maybe you are still not ready to accept the horrible truth of 9/11 and I have respect for that.

Peace.


I accepted the truth from the beginning. I wonder why you can't refute it after 6 years of trying. Why?

And I wonder why no one has brought any charges against the government in court yet. Why not?

Hopefully, you'll come to understand why the so-called 9/11 "Truth" Movement has been lying to you all this time.



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:46 AM
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You don't need 1000's of people to pull off this 9/11 job. first of all, there were war games simulating the very thing that occurred. So a small contingent of black opers can easily switch around stuff at the most crucial point. People at the top of an agency control what happens- rank and file personnel just follow orders



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by seanm
And I wonder why no one has brought any charges against the government in court yet. Why not?


Its a interesting question. Ive tried to look into what would be required for impeachment.


To impeach the President of the United States, a majority of the United States House of Representatives must agree to pass a resolution that alleges the President committed "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." This impeachment resolution is commonly called an "Article of Impeachment" and spells out in detail the charges against the President. The House of Representatives then exhibits these Articles of Impeachment to the United States Senate since the U.S. Senate has the "sole Power" to "try all impeachments."

If the U.S. Senate, by two-thirds vote, finds the President "guilty" on any Article of Impeachment, then the President is removed from office and the Senate next votes on whether or not to disqualify the ex-President from holding further office under the United States. Although already tried by the Senate, the ex-President is still liable to indictment and trial under regular criminal statues for any federal crimes he may have committed. If the U.S. Senate fails to reach a two-thirds majority for conviction, the President is acquitted and the trial is over.


Source: Wikipedia

So you need 2/3 of the Senate to find the president guilty. My guess is that these senators are going by the official 9/11 commission who totally ignored all the important questions. Its been called a major whitewash by the critics.

Hence, Bush and Cheney will most likely not be impeached no matter what they do to your country in my opinion. As long as there is a bit of doubt of what really happened, and there is a official story to explain it (no matter how ridiculous) , it will hold a considerably higher amount of credibility than other theories.

So because of the way this works, it will be difficult to take legal action against such a powerful man such as the president of the United States, even when he is part of a crime.



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posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by seanm


Gosh, another one who believes the government let Pearl Harbor happen.

Amazing.



SeanM and the OP are the same person. The OP claims to "believe" 911 was an inside job but then says it would take thousands to pull off. This is a new disinfo technique I've been watching since the "September Clues" Hologram disinfo died. You claim to be a 911 truther, but then state reasons why you "kinda don't belive the conspiracy is possible." So for people looking for the truth, they read about "911 truthers" like this guy who "believe" the conspiracy, but have doubts about who, how, why it happened. I don't "believe" there's a New World Order conspiracy, I KNOW there is, just as all of you who have authentically researched the subject know. SeanM hasn't read a thing (it's not a theory that FDR knew about PH 12 days prior) Get FDR-The Truth About Pearl Harbor, all the documentation is right there for you to blindly deny.

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posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 09:56 AM
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I wouldnt know about that, but there is a lot of people spamming disinformation on this site and giving eachother stars for it. You usually see these guys acting rude and insulting in most threads, or using a new character with no "points" to troll around a bit.


But there is also people who are intelligent enough to disregard it and listen for the real truth.



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posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by seanm


This is a good example where you can debunk what you believe on your own. It would be a really good exercise for you to spend a few hours to try to educate yourself on airline crashes of all sorts and try to demonstrate why a passport COULD survive.



Oh my God... I should educate myself on plane crashes and try to demonstrate why a passport could survive!? *snip*. Meanwhile, I'm going to go "spend a few hours researching plane crashes to demonstrate why a passport could survive." Yup, I'm going to start with www.impossiblethingstoresearch.com

God, I'm sick of seeing this disinfo agents posing as "truth-seekers"... for you authentic truth seekers out there, SEEK THE TRUTH, DON'T argue about your current perception of it on message boards. And the rest of you, don't feed the trolls, focus your energy on good threads or non-ATS activism


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posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by freight tomsen

Originally posted by seanm


Gosh, another one who believes the government let Pearl Harbor happen.

Amazing.



SeanM and the OP are the same person. The OP claims to "believe" 911 was an inside job but then says it would take thousands to pull off. This is a new disinfo technique I've been watching since the "September Clues" Hologram disinfo died. You claim to be a 911 truther, but then state reasons why you "kinda don't belive the conspiracy isn't possible." So for people looking for the truth, they read about "911 truthers" like this guy who "believe" the conspiracy, but have doubts about who, how, why it happened. I don't "believe" there's a New World Order conspiracy, I KNOW there is, just as all of you who have authentically researched the subject know. SeanM hasn't read a thing (it's not a theory that FDR knew about PH 12 days prior) Get FDR-The Truth About Pearl Harbor, all the documentation is right there for you to blindly deny.


There is absolutely NO question: I am not a 9/11 Truther, never have been, never will be.

As a rational person, it is impossible for me to accept nonsense.



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by seanm
Dodging? I was make an obvious point. To help you out, I'll repeat the post:


I read your post. If you were paying attention, you'd know I responded to it.


Originally posted by seanm
Now, just how many people do you reckon would have to be both in on it OR know something was not right after the fact IF?

Please be specific with numbers. Don't exclude anyone, ok?


So you want me to give numbers, but you won't give proof to your thousands estimate?


Originally posted by seanm
Is that why you can't tell me? Gosh....


I've told you. You fail to listen.


Originally posted by seanm
The burden of proof is on you. After all YOU believe it's a conspiracy, not me.

Get back too us when you've got the numbers.




You think 19 hijackers did it. Going by the correct definition of "conspiracy", you believe it's a conspiracy too.

you just blew your credibility.

Wow



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by seanm
Such as no one saw a 757 hit the Pentagon but saw something else or nothing at all - just as is claimed here by other 9/11 Deniers.


Find where in this thread I said that, and maybe you'll be right.

Good luck


Originally posted by seanm
Amazing. So if NO person saw or retrieved 757 parts from the Pentagon, but retrieved something else or nothing at all, they wouldn't wonder why the government, the airlines, the passengers' relatives were saying it was definitely AA 77?

And wouldn't talk about it? Thousands of people would just naturally keep quiet?

Amazing.

You really need to catch up with reality.


What's amazing is how you put words in my mouth.

Again, find where I said a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, and you'll be right.

Good luck



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by seanm
Yup, exactly. And 40 years ago to boot.


Yep, keep putting words in my mouth.

Keep up, buddy. It's not hard.



Originally posted by seanm
So you didn't know when the WTC towers were built? What DO you know? So far, not much at all.


Do you even know what the hell you're talking about?

Point to where I said I didn't know when they were built...

Good luck finding that.

Your debate skills are pathetic


I've seen people with about as much intelligence as you - except they are better debaters.

This is sad



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 11:21 AM
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An effort was made to invite me in to a secret society in 1974, can answer some questions due to that experience.
The two guys putting me through the induction process stated "you'll be surprised by how many people are in on it", had described crashing planes to induce incredulity "they won't believe we would kill all those people to get one guy" "....then they don't believe how many people are going along with something like that, and that's why it works" "unbelievability is a really big thing with us", they explained how they sit (usually at a round table if they can, because they like to symbolise that everybody is treated equally once you're fully "in". "We get loads of people all over the world to help us out."
They have a thing also of confessing much more openly than you expect all of their morbid acts, which also works more cleverly because it reduces nervousness and give-away body language, it's not easy to offer proof of such statements but think about the moment in the George Clooney film, Syriana, where a characer tells another character "You organised the second-creepiest party I've ever experienced in Washington" - it purely interested me that a line in a supposedly fictional film would convey the "body language problem" that had been described to me in 1974.

I personally think: the death of Hunter S. Thomson is pretty weird.

a researcher has discovered a south-american demolition
squad who mysteriously vanished momentarily from their
locale in the weeks prior to "9/11"

even the American military top brass announced the
planes would have to have been remote-controlled -
look at the official obituary on the internet to Joseph P.
Kennedy, d. 1944, two mysterious explosions happened
on the Liberator he was flying in "after it it had been
established to have been under full remote-control"

.........buuuut.....these data also are useful for giving us a picture of the
actual class warrior system, and who is actually in it.....if Joe Kennedy, father of John F Kennedy of course, had been in on class war tricksiness, he certainly hadn't liked it.

This post is from Martin Heth, author of www.phonedupnshutup.com & surf.to/dangerousdave, which have been highly praised websites.



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 12:12 PM
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There are million of Christians who believe that a messiah called Jesus walked the Earth. I've yet to see one shred of verifiable evidence that this is true. I read only myths and speculation. Do you realize all the death that has resulted from people following Jesus? If not, study it - and I don't mean at your local Sunday School class.

In all fairness, I believe in the wisdom of Lau Tzu, but he may not have existed, either. So, I'm not attacking anyone's belief. It's how you behave and what you say and do as a result of your belief that concerns me. There is great wisdom in even heinous documents. Mein Kampf is enlightening, if only to know your enemy. Personally, I prefer the Tao Te Ching and Sun Tzu's Art of War.

There is a mountain of evidence that 9-11 was an inside job, or at least a Pearl Harbor false-flag operation that was allowed to continue, unopposed. Less than a hundred people could have made this happen.

Only a handful needed to know the full story. The rest would have been specialist pawns who, due to compartmentalized "need-to-know" status, would never have understood the extent of their betrayal, until it was too late.

As for seanm, why do you people waste your time on the likes of this person or those like him/her? Nuff said.

The truth is staring us in the face, but most sheeple are unwilling to see it, because it immediately erases any notion that their glorious government and protector can and will save them. The brainwashing and mind-shock are psychologically overwhelming, thus they bleat and stumble about the meadow chewing their cud - numbed and dumbed down - business as usual.

Take the red pill, please, and wake up. Anyone who believes that there is an Osama Bin Laden who is our enemy and pulled off 9-11 without inside help...is not worth the electronic ink on this LCD page, nor the time it takes to refute their disbelief. Al-qaeda is a CIA fabrication and all the boys and girls, fighting for the red-white-and-blue, have been duped.

Stop wasting your time on truther-baiting trolls. And NoOneSpecialHere, it's fine to pose a question, but it should really be up to you to evaluate all the evidence, first, then bring something far more solid to the table, especially to begin a thread.

There is an incalculable amount of data online, which you should study, first, before whacking the ATS hornet's nest with your incredulous postulation. Your asking "If 9-11 was an inside job, how many people were involved?" is an absurd way of approaching the problem.

That's like asking, "If J.F.K. was assassinated, how many people were involved?" Does it really matter? He was assassinated. There was a conspiracy. The evidence is there. And the spin doctors and mind-control shamans have been working overtime, since then, to keep the genie in the bottle.

So, watch all the videos, movies, documentaries and news reports, then read all the data gathered for the past six years. Then, when you have a specific point to make based upon your new-found knowledge, share your observation with us, but back it up with data, please. Unlike the sheeple, I don't enjoy regurgitating already chewed cud. The truth is out there. Go read it.

If you do all that and still can't determine that 9-11 was an inside job, then go in peace. You may still follow Jesus, but I have taken the red pill, my friend.

namaste



posted on Oct, 14 2007 @ 12:19 PM
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look at it this way, theres 6 billion people in the world, a fraction of that, maybe 1000 to 5000, would comprise a secret society or several different ones working together. You ask the question how could so many people be in on it? Why not, there are more than enough murderers in this country and our neighbors who lie, cheat and steal money so they can stay in power, or live lifestyles only beneficial to themselves.

Now you say no way, but if all those people are on the same page, maybe motivated by secret profit, or they are all cultists excersizing ritual magic, then it would make sense that a large conspiracy would work.

"oh but what about the democrats voting to ratify the actions of invading afghanistan and iraq?"

Because the problem of the cou is on both sides in my belief. And yes it has to be a cou, or they would have been fair a long time ago and stopped the war on drugs as the 70% americans want, they wouldnt taser and pepper spray people who read the constitution, they wouldnt hire deibold to alter votes as if they have a specific intent for someone elected.

You see they make themselves obvious to those who already know they are criminal, and to those that dont they play the psychology game. Its a sick joke and these so called world leaders need house arrest, muzzle, and a job in the drive through of a white castle for 20 years. If I were a God i would merely push them into another dimension where dinosaurs exist.





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