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Originally posted by seanm
Sigh... another one with reading comprehension problems. Try again.
Originally posted by seanm
You forgot, it's up to 9/11 Truthers to demonstrate how it could have happened and how thousands of witnesses who had first-hand knowledge of what happened haven't outed the government.
Originally posted by seanm
You must be new at this. In the six years since 9/11, not one person has presented any evidence that hasn't been refuted, much less presenting the massive necessary to refute the overwhelming evidence against you. You must think rational people are idiots to try to foist that nonsense on us.
Originally posted by seanm
Indeed, you are a true 9/11 Denier. To make such a ridiculous claim in the face of thousands of non-government witnesses and investigations consisting of predominately non-government structural engineers, physicists, chemists, architects, and forensic scientists means you don't have a clue what you are talking about. You don't even understand that the evidence of what happened on 9/11 never came from the government to begin with. You don't even know that the evidence, methodologies, and conclusions of the investigations like NIST are fully open to everyone and that any expert in the relevant fields the world over could tear those investigations apart if there were reason to.
Originally posted by seanm
Demonstrate otherwise if you are so convinced. I gave you my examples.
Originally posted by seanm
40 years ago?!! Now, that is REAL planning ahead!
Originally posted by seanm
Ah, yes, speculate wildly and dispense with the necessity of presenting any evidence. Classic 9/11 denial.
Originally posted by seanm
You mean several hundred, right? Just a slip of your tongue, I guess.
Originally posted by seanm
Yup, I knew it. Classic 9/11 Denial. The same thing was said in 2002. You ARE a newbie at this.
Originally posted by seanm
I LOVE no-planers. "It is definite that AA77 didn't hit the Pentagon but it's not fair to ask us what happened to it." Sorry, but I have heard every excuse in the world to avoid your responsibility.
Originally posted by seanm
There is no question at all that I am definitely focusing on the concrete by showing that 9/11 Truthers do not have a clue that they have no evidence to back them up. I'm sorry, but the truth requires that we be really tough on you 9/11 Deniers.
Originally posted by seanm
Actual witnesses to what happened would know if the government were lying about what they witnessed, wouldn't they?
Originally posted by seanm
I have no reason in the world to think so. I mean, why would independent investigators sign up to begin with? Of course, if you have evidence that any of those many hundreds of investigators were made to shut up so successfully just like the 8,000 people at the Pentagon ULTIMA1 claims the government threated, please don't keep us in suspense!
Originally posted by seanm
False. That was debunked in 2002. Look it up. Do your homework.
Originally posted by seanm
The government keeps a lot of secrets. But as long as you cling to the illusion that thousands of non-government citizens who witnessed all aspects of the events THEMSELVES and could contradict the government at any time but HAVEN'T; that they could be silenced when the government has no clue who they may be, then you are in bigger trouble than I thought.
Originally posted by seanm
False analogy. Most every European nation and the UN believed Saddam had the capability. DO read the UN documents in case you forgot. And it is irrelevant to the discussion anyway.
Originally posted by seanm
Only you 9/11 Deniers call them "cave dwellers," The rest of us know them them as educated people with great financial resources at the time. Of course, your 9/11 Denial Movement has to demean them to make their "official 9/11 conspiracy story" sound more plausible.
Originally posted by seanm
Your logic is indeed very poor. Which is why you are a 9/11 Denier.
Originally posted by seanm
It's actually been the proper term since 2002. Obviously, you really are a newbie at this since nobody outside of your "movement" uses the term "Truth" Movement anymore.
DO catch up.
Originally posted by seanm
How irrational does one have to be to entertain the thought that those who built the WTC towers from 1966-1971 had the foresight and the vision to plant explosives that would be set off at the exact locations two aircraft not even on the drawing boards at the time would hit so precisely 30 years later?
Originally posted by robert z
Back on topic, there is no way that thousands or even hundreds of people would have been needed. How about this scenario...
Well that would depend on what you think happened on 9/11. Do you think missiles were used on flight 11 & 175. If so who modified these aircraft? You can not just simply slap three missiles on the bottom of a commercial aircraft. You would need a aerospace engineer to draw up blueprints, determine how the missiles would change the flight characteristics of the aircraft, someone would need to fabricate all the necessary parts for the installation and find a discrete location to install them. Then the aircraft would need a series of test flights. This kind of project would take months and require a tremendous amount of people.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Why would it take thousands of people? If we are supposed to believe that 19 hijackers pulled off 9/11 why would it take thousands for it to be an inside job.
Are 19 Saudi hijackers better then any of our special ops units?
Small groups of special ops units like the SEALS have pulled off large missions. So please explain to me why it would take thousands of people to make 9/11 an inside job?
Originally posted by Unplugged
1. Compartmentalization
2. Secrecy Oaths
3. Death threats to individual and family
4. bottom line: theres a lot of ways to keep people in the dark about what they are really doing and working on, or to keep them quiet. Could just kill them. Simple as that. KIA. MIA abroad. whatever they fancy. Also, probably a small number of people knew what was really being done... just study a little about how intell agencies work.
Originally posted by Copernicus
Oh, and you mention 40 billion? Try 2.3 trillion that the Pentacon have lost and dont know where it is.
Originally posted by robert z
There is no way I think Bush and his cronies had the time or organizational skills necessary to plan something as big as not only carrying off 9/11, but covering it up as well.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by seanm
Then do you have a poor memory about WTC 7? Did you forget that the 9/11 Commission was not charged with investigating the collapses?
If you will stop insulting my intelligence and address the questions you keep evading, then you will have earned a modicum of respect.
1. Then please tell me what was the 9/11 commision was supposed to investigate, because they talk about the towers collapse.
2. Your a good one to talk about earning respect, when you insult people about providing evidence but you will not provide any.
I am still waiting for you to show any kind of evidence.
Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Sigh... another one with reading comprehension problems. Try again.
Nice dodging the question.
Care to answer it now?
Originally posted by seanm
You forgot, it's up to 9/11 Truthers to demonstrate how it could have happened and how thousands of witnesses who had first-hand knowledge of what happened haven't outed the government.
It's been explained how it could have happened, you just fail to recognize it.
You're providing no facts here.
Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Originally posted by seanm
Actual witnesses to what happened would know if the government were lying about what they witnessed, wouldn't they?
Such as in which situations on 9/11?
Originally posted by seanm
I have no reason in the world to think so. I mean, why would independent investigators sign up to begin with? Of course, if you have evidence that any of those many hundreds of investigators were made to shut up so successfully just like the 8,000 people at the Pentagon ULTIMA1 claims the government threated, please don't keep us in suspense!
It doesn't take shutting up hundreds of investigators. All it takes is controlling the top ones.
Originally posted by seanm
The burden of proof is on you. After all YOU believe it's a conspiracy, not me.
Get back too us when you've got the numbers.