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reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 09:33 PM by anhinga


Also, the book's got a 16 print photo panel in the middle and graphics/illstrtns throughout. And some hieroglyphic research too. In the intro, not to give much away, he claims the moons of Saturn: Phoebe, Dione and Iapetus are artificial, spaceships that these aquatic beings live within. Here's a sculpture of a Nommo from a print in the book:

image source: http://exodus2006.com/mycodes/nommoF.JPG


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reply posted on 15-11-2007 @ 09:38 PM by anhinga


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I hear ya, that one sounds great too... like I said, this one is dense, paging through it now, there's so much to go into, I want to look for that post who tried derailing this guy, Robert Temple, without a detailed argument against, there's no reason NOT to believe his research.

I really want to get back into this bk tonight but I am kinda getting into Dark Mission and want to make some progress on that almost 600 pager.



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reply posted on 17-11-2007 @ 12:16 PM by kerkinana walsky



Originally posted by NGC2736
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OK, let's speak of bias then, since you seem determined that I began with one. On one side we have the science of math and on the other the science of Hubble. So in your view the science of Hubble trumps the math. Because math says that something is there, and you can't see it, means forget the math.

And yes, being that I'm not some deity, I missed that one. If you had read a few of my posts in something like the Aliens and UFOs Forum, you would have seen that I am neither skeptic or believer, only someone that finds a mystery worth looking at. And had I found that data I would have included it as well.

unlike you, I think, as do many, that the mystery hasn't gone away just because one science failed to find what another said was there. Maybe the mysteryis why to branches of science can't agree.




this isn't anything to do with the claim that the Math supports the Dogon claim,
It doesn't, it was merely an exercise to show that something appeared to be interfering with the orbit of SiriusB

as we can now see that nothing is interfering with Sirius B and that there is no Sirius C at all we can safely conclude
1) the Dogon claim is erroneous
2) the maths was wrong
3) you will accept any evidence that backs up a pseudo historic claim and none that destroys it.

so like I said, you clearly believe that amphibious beings descended 5000 years ago in a ship that spat fire and have built your whole house of cards on unstable ground as a result, let me reiterate what other later anthopologists have said.

"the Dogon do not know anything about Sirius B or C at all and they aren't important in their cosmology or mythology"
really if you don't believe the people themselves then you are attributing to them whatever your imagination feels like because you have an agenda to spread erroneous claims because you want to. This says more about you than it ever did of them



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reply posted on 26-1-2008 @ 12:18 AM by addvantage666


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Though this thread hasn't seen any recent posts, I thought that I'd add my 2¢ worth;
The objects that appear near the tethered rod that are supposed to be "something" do not appear to be "going by" the spacecraft in their ususal manner, if it were "something" but their behavior is that of something in tandem with the orbiter. The tether is supposed to be at 50 miles away. The orbiter traverses a distance 50 miles in just a matter of seconds as it orbits the earth. So any object that is going anywhere near the spacecraft, should appear to be moving much faster, and unless travelling in tandem with the orbiter, would appear and disappear in just a few seconds. The behavior is that of a reflection and not of any object at all.



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reply posted on 26-1-2008 @ 04:28 AM by IsaacKoi


Since this thread has popped up again, I thought it worth posting a cross-reference in this thread to my article Dogon Alien “Mystery” Demystified.

As I mention in that article, I think NGC2736’s article is a concise and well-written account of one side of the debate regarding the Dogon. But it only presented one side.

Kind Regards,

Isaac



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reply posted on 28-4-2008 @ 09:15 AM by v01i0


This was interesting found at least, but I am sorry to say it is based on a thin proof.

The fact is, according to the article by Walter E. A. van Beek which was published in Current Anthropology in 1991 (Volume 32, Number 2, April), that he couldn't confirm the Griaule's ethnography, but furthermore, he can't even regonize the tribe itself from Griaule's description.

Before Griaule, there has been other ethnographists and anthropologists whose description doesen't match Griaule's one. But nevertheless, van Beek went there to commit a restudy and found out that Dogon - just like other Mali tribes - had no idea that Sirius was doublestar..


The Dogon know no proper creation myth; neither the version of Ogotemmêli or that of the Renard pâle is recognizable to informants. The figure of Ogo (RP) is unknown; the fox as a divining animal has no privileged position in mythology. That Sirius is a double star is unknown; astronomy is of very little importance in religion.
Source: CA Vol. 32 No. 2 April

van Beek also recognized, that creational myths in religions can be restricted from public knowledge, but suggested that there should be at least traces of it visible:


The problem of secrecy in culture is a complex one that has as yet received little theoretical attention (cf. Bellman 1984). Of course, cultures do contain elements that are readily disclosed to outsiders [...] hidden not only from outsiders but also from the majority of the population.
Source: CA Vol. 32 No. 2 April

The question is, in my opinion at least, why does Griaule's description of Dogon religious myths contradict with the reports before and after his study? In my opinion, they have perhaps tried to start a new New Age-myth. Another possibility is that they learned about all this stuff from European conquerers, but that's far fetched, as it wasn't common knowledge in Europe either. 3rd option is that someone is trying to hide something. Maybe they have these rituals after all, but no one wants to admit it Go see it yourselves.

Sincerely



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