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reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 02:58 AM by styxxz
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Cool, thanks for the info GeeGee. I always thought that the Nordics were the Reticulans but I could be wrong...


reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 03:33 AM by Copernicus
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Think one step further...what if we created another race? Wouldnt we want to visit them and see how they are doing? And maybe influence their development so they evolve in a way we would like?

Thats what they are doing. And its helping us.



reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 05:32 AM by Rubyteacup
When I lived in New York City in the 1970s, I saw a movie about UFOs, ancient writings in Egypt, etc. etc. etc. I was so disappointed in the movie because from what they showed it didn't look like UFOs or possibly aliens.

It is my feelings that the reason that aliens and UFO sightings started in the 1940s was because of all the secret government projects. Being abducted by so-called aliens or creatures from outer space is a fantastic cover for CIA operations.

I feel very badly for the victims of these experiments because I believe that they believe they were abducted and that is extremely frightening. Most of us today aren't frightened or at least it seems that way, but I can't imagine any person on earth giving a thumbs up if an alien were right in front of their faces.

Could there be life on other planets? I guess it's possible, but I have no doubt that scientists have been trying to prove that fact for decades and as of today they cannot. There really isn't any credible evidence. But L. Ron Hubbard sure made a lucrative business from it. No wonder they chose Tom Cruise to star in "War of the Worlds!"

Every nation keeps testing their scientific weapons, etc. I did read on a website that the U.S. had been sending up various crafts that were made in order to perfect the shuttle that first landed on the moon. That certainly makes more sense to me so that if people weren't brainwashed then they were seeing something the government had built and was testing. And, the same goes for every other country. A UFO was sited over the Vatican recently.

The hype is unbelievable about UFOs.......government testing of crafts, brainwashing victims,.....unfortunately the CIA and our government will never stop perpetuating a false cover for their back-handed operations!!!!


Rubyteacup


reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 06:14 AM by spacevisitor
Originally posted by wildcat

How come we didn't have any UFO sightings or alien abduction reports in the last 10,000 years of human civilization until just now (20th century)? It's because the technology is new, and it wasn't around back then. All documents of UFOs and aliens that date before the 20th century are lies.


Hi wildcat, maybe you find this some interesting information, so that it maybe change your point of view in your point above?

source;
www.ufoartwork.com...

For a number of years I have been intrigued by old artwork that appears to depict UFOs. The artwork in my collection consists of frescos, tapestries, illustrations, oil paintings and early photographs.

Although some of the artwork represents actual sightings, others feature UFOs in a religious context.
One can only guess at why these artists chose to insert UFOs into their artwork. Did they have UFO sightings in their day and decide to add them in ? Perhaps they had an inner urge to insert them. Maybe they had some arcane knowledge about the relationship between UFOs and certain religious events.

Whatever the truth is, there are UFOs in these artworks...


Originally posted by wildcat
Many years ago, a man suggested that the best way to unite the world is through artificial alien invasion. After that man suggested that, the Roswell incident occured and we started getting abduction reports.


The only man who I know who said something in that direction was former President Reagan?
But that was far after the Roswell incident, in September 21st, 1987:

Before the United Nations General Assembly: " In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment," said Reagan, "we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.






[edit on 12/10/07 by spacevisitor]


reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 08:19 AM by Beamish
I can only agree with all the other posters who have argued coherently, and backed them selves up with strong, albeit anecdotal evidence to counter your arguement, wildcat. In a court of law, you'd be dead in the water by now, unless you're holding back a trump card.

However, I see as yet you haven't presented it.

IMO, it is indeed naive to truly believe that life exists only on our world, and that we haven't been visited by their versions of our socio, paeleo, and archeologists etc.
In the vastness of the universe, there may well be planets teeming with societies we would consider primitive compared to ours, and if that holds true then it is logical to assume that there are others with societies that are years ahead of us and therefore who, theoretically, have technology we would consider approaching the magical.

Who's to say they would have to traverse the vast tracts of space that separates our world and theirs? If we accept they are that advanced, space, and distance, may not be a consideration for them. Look at our own technological leaps and bounds; at the end of the nineteenth century, it took months to reach the far side of the earth. Now, we are approaching the capability to do that very same journey in only a few hours.
And we've managed that in just over a hundred years.

Doesn't that make you realise that alien civilisations that for the sake of arguement are only five hundred years ahead of us, could be fully capable of the most astonishing feats?

And if they are thousands, or even millions, ahead then the things they could do could almost be regarded as divine...

And why wouldn't they visit us?

If we now accept they can travel at will anywhere they wish, would they not be able to observe or detect us across the void between? We can read a newspaper from space via incredibly powerful spy sattelites, view galaxies millions of miles away via the Hubble. So why wouldn't they turn their superior technology towards us? Who knows what ripples we make in the fabric of space that we are unaware of, that have earned us the attention we see so regularly in our skies?
We regularly study the few remaining native tribes left to us (count the number of tv programmes per year dedicated to that very subject), and there are always programmes showing us just how spectacular and beautiful the flora, fauna and natural geology etc. our world contains.

Now, wouldn't you, if you could, want to see what other worlds had to offer? No matter how surrounded by, or dependant on tech you became, wouldn't you want to see the sunset on a different world?

I would.



reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 08:50 AM by Lost_Mind
Originally posted by pstrron
Lets take a wag at this, lets say that there is only 100,000,000 galaxies in all of space (we haven't found the end of it yet) and that there are only 10,000,000 stars in each one. Then to top it off only one in a 1000 stars has planets and of those only one could support life "as we know it". Now that gives more planets than I can count that can support life. Don't you think that ET just might exist somewhere else or do you still feel that weeezzzzzz the only ones?


This isnt proof of anything, it is a statistical probability albeit a high one. Yes the numbers are no less than monstrous. And I am not saying that alien life isnt real, or that it isnt a NWO smokescreen. I say that big numbers, no matter how big they are, still are not physical proof of anything, no matter how badly one wants them to be. Without physical evidence it is all a leap of faith and faith and gut feelings are not proof.

Our own galaxy COULD very well be teeming with life; if we happen to find evidence of life in our own solar system say on the rock records of Mars, then it is a slam dunk that life most likely is everywhere. Does that prove that there are alien lifeforms here on Earth? No. One has to really learn to apprecite the indescribably vast distances that are being considered between these other solar systems and thier potential intelligent space faring life.

Verifiable, testable, factual first person evidence is the only way to prove it may be real and here. Not unverifiable, nearly intangible, second hand stories, warm fuzzy feelings, wild speculation and the uncontrollable want for something to be. They are going to have to start buying houses in our hoods, driving Chevys and being tossed in jail for smoking in public for me to even come close to thinking they are here, let alone exist.


reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 09:51 AM by danx
Originally posted by Rubyteacup
It is my feelings that the reason that aliens and UFO sightings started in the 1940s was because of all the secret government projects. Being abducted by so-called aliens or creatures from outer space is a fantastic cover for CIA operations.


The documentation and actions of the CIA, Air Force and other agencies is not consistent with the theory that aliens are only a cover story, in my perspective.

In the late 40s, the CIA and Air Force were genuinely worried and interested in UFOs. We now know this thanks to declassified documents and FOIA requests. Not because the CIA/AF leaked it or made it's position known. In reality, they even tried to conceal it's interest in UFOs.

They also infiltrated and monitored UFO organizations; they visited witnesses and suggested that they would not make their sightings public; they set up panels and investigations with the real purpose of trying to explain away and debunk the sightings.

How did those actions help them building up "the alien cover story"?


CIA's Role in the Study of UFOs, 1947-90:
(1952) Although it had monitored UFO reports for at least three years, CIA reacted to the new rash of sightings by forming a special study group within the Office of Scientific Intelligence (OSI) and the Office of Current Intelligence (OCI) to review the situation. Edward Tauss, acting chief of OSI's Weapons and Equipment Division, reported for the group that most UFO sightings could be easily explained. Nevertheless, he recommended that the Agency continue monitoring the problem, in coordination with ATIC. He also urged that CIA conceal its interest from the media and the public, "in view of their probable alarmist tendencies" to accept such interest as confirming the existence of UFOs.

Upon receiving the report, Deputy Director for Intelligence (DDI) Robert Amory, Jr. assigned responsibility for the UFO investigations to OSI's Physics and Electronics Division, with A. Ray Gordon as the officer in charge. Each branch in the division was to contribute to the investigation, and Gordon was to coordinate closely with ATIC. Amory, who asked the group to focus on the national security implications of UFOs, was relaying DCI Walter Bedell Smith's concerns. Smith wanted to know whether or not the Air Force investigation of flying saucers was sufficiently objective and how much more money and manpower would be necessary to determine the cause of the small percentage of unexplained flying saucers. Smith believed "there was only one chance in 10,000 that the phenomenon posed a threat to the security of the country, but even that chance could not be taken." According to Smith, it was CIA's responsibility by statute to coordinate the intelligence effort required to solve the problem. Smith also wanted to know what use could be made of the UFO phenomenon in connection with US psychological warfare efforts.


I'm not saying the CIA/AF didn't use (and uses) UFO sightings as cover stories for some of their secret operations and aircraft, but I think that only came after they (secretly) studied and investigated the phenomena, and eventually realized the potential of such cover as psychological warfare - especially when a lot of people were reporting the U-2 as UFO sightings.


Don't you find it strange that all the alleged military witnesses, from Roswell for example, during their military lives kept saying there was nothing to it, it was a weather balloon or military projects, and when they're out of the military or near their deathbeds decide to come out and say they actually witnessed alien aircraft and/or bodies?

Why didn't these people, while working for the military/intelligence agencies, helped building up the "alien cover story"? Why now that they're out of the their governmental jobs, at the end of their lives, decide to participate in the "Global Elite's alien cover story"?


reply posted on 12-10-2007 @ 02:21 PM by Teratoma
reply to post by Burginthorn


You make an interesting point, worth looking into, and it certainly must be evidence of something ...what that is, is another topic altogether.

This concept does presuppose that what little visual evidence that we've collected since the 40s is valid and clear enough to make such an assessment.

Your comments reminded me of a book I read years ago though - "Flying Saucers - Serious Business" (Frank Edwards, 1966). In it he talks about statistics of ufo sightings, and how for a certain period of time before man took to the skies, most UFOs seen by people were of the large, slow-moving cigar-shaped objects. According to these statistics (and my alcohol-pickled memory), from the time of the Wright brothers, to the beginning of WWII, there were almost no UFO sightings reported. Then, just before the start of the war, a 'new' type of UFO, the flying saucer was seen frequently, by people on the ground, and military & commercial pilots alike.

Now I don't remember how these 'statistics' were gathered, it's been quite a while since I read the book. It was interesting though, to say the least. Did the aliens have to upgrade their crafts in order to be able to outmaneuver our new invention?
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