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Originally posted by qonone
There are millions of Christians in Japan and there are those who are satanists. To say that they are unaware and their beliefs are different hence the reason that inventors of certain games are totally unaware of the demonic presence in their games are not true. These signs/symbols are put in for reasons known very well by the inventors of games.
The OP's statement of symbols on demonic/satanistic nature on game characters is true. Symbols of such demonic nature are known ,if you get to read eg:The Keys Of Solomon ..and how to use them and what the purpose of these symbols are. These things are powerful and used by a lot of pagan cults/religions.
Originally posted by saint4God
Okay, they deleted that thread. Apparently you can't say 'devil' on that tv. I made a topic called "I'm tired of the Devil in MMORPG's" as in the character Devil showing up in games and it seems to have been deleted. It had 300 post and 3,000 views in 3 days. Needless to say, I was very surprised. Careful what you say there, censoring is abound. Maybe mods on mmorpg.com will understand that freedom of speech is one of the most important rights and individual has (like the ATS mods already know). They've also bumped me down from elite member to novice too. Intereting, the power of the pen.
[edit on 10-1-2008 by saint4God]
Originally posted by Incarnated
Those that see the devil everywhere are not looking for God.
Are not those that see the devil everywhere looking for the Devil rather then looking for God?
Originally posted by Incarnated
Do they truly believe they've found God and so they have nothing more to do then look for the devil?
Originally posted by Incarnated
Jesus said: If you think you are awake you are not.
Originally posted by qonone
I actually read that thread before they deleted it ,some nasty's !!
Originally posted by qonone
There was a few like MareVVLL and the Chewie that were on a mission. Others were not too bad..actually agreed with you.
Very interesting questions popped up in that thread so i was reading away and never came back to ATS
I got upset with some peoples replies ,how far people would go to laugh something serious off,to mock God..i was that far from registering but would ave been torn into pieces.
Originally posted by qonone
I do not play online bit i play XBox quite often..more my son ,but i do go for the more scary games and honestly its getting worse. Got a game last year "The Darkness" ..and there is no good vs evil ..you summon demons to help you kill others. I love my RE and Silent Hill as well and it's all getting riddled with crap as you mentioned.
I can lie to myself and try to ignore these things but no good will come from it. Another game i got rid of was Crackdown..no ghosties just pure violence and as you said symbols..Anarchy symbol was the main one,on every start page. Worse of all my 8yr old son was quite the master in the game.
True what you said there..and you have guts ,i appreciate that!!
Originally posted by befoiled
I'm still having a problem understanding how the devil is "hidden" in the games, especially MMORPGs. Demons and occult symbology are both common and obvious.
Originally posted by befoiled
If I were a game designer I would incorporate whatever monsters or symbols that would elicit a cultural response in the gamer and create a mysterious or sinister environment in which to play. It just so happens the Satan and his minions, for most of the world anyway, ranks at the top of the list of boogymen and therefore makes an excellent target for slaughter in any game. It's why we play.
Originally posted by befoiled
I find it difficult to believe that someone could become a Satanist simply by playing World of Warcraft. Lose their job, get fat, or get divorced, sure. But find a religion? Any religion? Only a simpleton who was already heading down that path could be influenced by a cartoon pentagram.
It makes for dramatic testimony in the revival tent, though.
Edit to add (level 66 undead warrior) and correct spelling
Originally posted by saint4God
I believe that to you they are obvious. People on ATS seem a lot more in tune with what's going on than your average Joe/Jane...There are many who do not know what these symbols mean, represent or even what they are...I can only imagine how cursory it must appear to most gamers.
...Okay, if that's the case, why are they twisting it to where you have to team up with demons to fight 'evil' (which then becomes a subjective term) or befried the Devil and/or dark magic to defeat some larger cosmic problem? Very strange, no?
Games are getting less cartoon everyday. World of Warcraft had nerfed a lot of the symbols and shroud the actual story behind them. Whether that's good or not, I'm not sure. It's repetative subtlety that I'm getting at instead of immediate consequence.
Originally posted by qonone
I can lie to myself and try to ignore these things but no good will come from it. Another game i got rid of was Crackdown..no ghosties just pure violence and as you said symbols..Anarchy symbol was the main one,on every start page. Worse of all my 8yr old son was quite the master in the game.
Originally posted by befoiled
I have actually followed your postings for some time, Saint, and I must admit you are one of the most knowledgeable, tolerant, and prolific Christian spokespersons on ATS. That said...
Originally posted by befoiled
For those with stronger religious leanings one way or the other it would certainly be more obvious. However, I believe that most simply don't care about evil references in games because they are not truly religious or, even more likely, are religious on a part time basis. I also believe that applies to most people in this nation, despite what polls say.
Originally posted by befoiled
I would say the designation 'evil' is often subjective in real life,
Originally posted by befoiled
In a game like WoW I don't think of it in terms of good and evil because, 1) It's a game and 2) It's more or less me against everything.
Originally posted by befoiled
It seems that whatever theological influence a game could have over an individual is based solely upon what that person is bringing to the game. A devout Christian would undoubtedly see devils and angels, a wiccan would see the various symbols of her craft, and an atheist wouldn't probably notice or care (but I bet most of them play Horde).