Is Communism really that bad?

Communism is the perfect political ideal until you factor in the human variable to the equation. I also think it has a lot less to do with "greed" being in our nature and probably has more to do with our inherent nature to outdo the competition for mates. Instead of being the best hunter, fastest runner, best fighter, it's changed into a money game. A hummer and size of the wallet in some cases are the crest of the peacocks feathers. This just goes to show how simple we really are and why something as perfect as communism will never work, at least this day and age.

communism works great in star trek...

it's main fault is that it assumes that everyone and every task are equal

communism works great in star trek...

it's main fault is that it assumes that everyone and every task are equal

Communism doesn't even work in theory.

Originally posted by Kacen
Anarchy can go to hell

What do you think the result of pure liberalism is?

Just an observation...



Communism ends up turning into Socialism. We've all seen it happen.

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Star Trek does not display Communism but Federalism.

Originally posted by jbondo

Originally posted by Kacen
Anarchy can go to hell

What do you think the result of pure liberalism is?

Just an observation...



Communism ends up turning into Socialism. We've all seen it happen.

I am liberal on social issues, but economics mostly right winged, and I also am against democracy and anarchism; hence Liberal Fascist.

Originally posted by Kacen
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I am liberal on social issues, but economics mostly right winged, and I also am against democracy and anarchism; hence Liberal Fascist.

That is, in my opinion, the perfect mix. You are not brainwashed by the polarization. I too am financially right-wing and socially left-wing.

in star trek, they don't use money and they all work together to make society better. but this dorky debate is not what this post is about...sorry that i started it down this road

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Kacen
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I am liberal on social issues, but economics mostly right winged, and I also am against democracy and anarchism; hence Liberal Fascist.

That is, in my opinion, the perfect mix. You are not brainwashed by the polarization. I too am financially right-wing and socially left-wing.

Indeed. I dislike democracy because it is so un-focused, you can be going in one direction towards the betterment of humanity and then some other guy gets elected and he goes towards something else. It's erratic and too "incoherent" so to speak.

Also I should mention I would not mind mixing a little bit of socialism into my economy, not sure how I would manage though.

What's work, you know? Work is work. Everyone is part of the process to collectively better everybody else in a communist society. We're not ready for it because we don't truly understand selflessness. We're just glorfied animals and until we get off our knees and realize that we're not anything special, we won't even get anywhere spiritually either.

Originally posted by Kacen
Indeed. I dislike democracy because it is so un-focused, you can be going in one direction towards the betterment of humanity and then some other guy gets elected and he goes towards something else. It's erratic and too "incoherent" so to speak.

Also I should mention I would not mind mixing a little bit of socialism into my economy, not sure how I would manage though.

We must be able to do better than we have been. Neither democracy nor communism nor pure fascism have proven ideal.

My personal view is that society should be run like a company, with power divided between a board of managers of different views and backgrounds for "managing society".

Every one should have the basic birthright to a living-space (shelter) and food for free (communism). Other than that I believe in the full responsibility and freedom of the individual.

While communism creates poverty for all, I would prefer prosperity for all.

We must be able to do better than we have been. Neither democracy nor communism nor pure fascism have proven ideal.

My personal view is that society should be run like a company, with power divided between a board of managers of different views and backgrounds for "managing society".

Every one should have the basic birthright to a living-space (shelter) and food for free (communism). Other than that I believe in the full responsibility and freedom of the individual.

While communism creates poverty for all, I would prefer prosperity for all.

And the only reason in past generations it has created "poverty for all" is because of the convoluted idea that somehow we're better than our neighbor or by men to have the tendecy to rule as they see fit and make exceptions to the philosophy. Communism isn't about an prosperity in an economicl sense but more about sustenance and continuity among people. Take negative emotions out of people and communism is nearly infallible.

Oh, and I don't know why there's so much resentment to communism. We should be pissed at our own species for being too simple minded for it to work.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues

And the only reason in past generations it has created "poverty for all" is because of the convoluted idea that somehow we're better than our neighbor or by men to have the tendecy to rule as they see fit and make exceptions to the philosophy. Communism isn't about an prosperity in an economicl sense but more about sustenance and continuity among people. Take negative emotions out of people and communism is nearly infallible.

Oh, and I don't know why there's so much resentment to communism. We should be pissed at our own species for being too simple minded for it to work.

But maybe I *dun dun dun* want to become rich and successful?

Look especially for someone like me who's uh...doubtful about an afterlife I feel the need to make the most out of my life here...ironic since atheists mostly support communism.

I find that instead of focusing on alternative system for leadership that focusing on the problems of the current system is probably a better way to go - that said; the biggest problem with democracy is that Fascism is allowed to prosper on homeland soil if that fascism is non-violent - i.e; not illegal.

I allude to the way that children are raised; each and every one of us (depending on generation, i guess) was brought up to speak clearly and be a good leader without learning why it's important for society that we do so; more often than not we use these teachings to fulfill our own goal at the expense of others, and in some circumstances the young mind simply takes this mentality unto itself as the ideal method of living - either all bow down before me or get ready to fight, in otherwords (hench a different style of fascism - unless of course you meet someone with a similar mindset, the same way that facists have a tendancy to stab each other in the back from time to time).

The individual may not even acknowledge it - the only way that a person can make that kind of judgement is based on how he or she treats others around them.

Such raw emotions as hate and jealousy subvert our minds like spies with misinformation - you don't know where these thoughts are coming from, but you're in such a position that not to act upon them would be suicide (albeit socially/politically/what-have-you.).




By Looking At How We Have Failed, We Can Find Out How To Win.


It's not as simple as corporate power consolidation.

[edit on 11-10-2007 by Throbber]

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What's money? What are numbers? I hate to get all philosophical but really? If that's what you desire, you should definitely focus on bigger and better things in life. I used to be terribly materialistic and have the apartment, furniture, clothes, and car to prove it.. I look back on it now and I've kind of dug myself into an empty lifestyle. Now I travel, volunteer, and am trying to sell my car (2004 Subaru STI, Rally blue, if anyone's interested) and go on the lam. The dream they have us chasing is meaningless. Really, it is. The more you chase it the further away from happiness you get. It's a f# paradox.

Originally posted by 1111111111111
Is Communism really that bad? You decide.

www.marxists.org...

I have.

Nah. Heck. I say go for it.

Good Luck!

Also be sure to check out Cannibalism, addiction, and cheating on your husband.
All great ideas!





(the preceding comment was humour, and does not reflect the views of this station, it's management, or staff).

Originally posted by DCP
communism works great in star trek...

it's main fault is that it assumes that everyone and every task are equal

They have replicators and endless energy, so there are no supply shortages.

(Voyager episode)
Also don't buy into the federations public lie, equality for all. They keep a slave force of holograms working in the mines. Just a fun joke

[edit on 11-10-2007 by Redge777]

I wouldn't be deterred by statments like the one above either. Communism is for the "higher functioning." Let us all know when all of you are done beating your chests and put down your John Grisham novels.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
I wouldn't be deterred by statments like the one above either. Communism is for the "higher functioning." Let us all know when all of you are done beating your chests and put down your John Grisham novels.

By post above do you mean my Star Trek Joke? I see a little humor as a good thing. Is my use of humor excluding me from your classification of higher functioning, I think that to be pretty judgemental. Please explain what you mean by the term so I can understand your slight.